Locked Need help setting up IC7300 #hamlib #bearing #Icom


Bruce N7XGR
 

Bill, I am helping you out of the group.
I need to know what happens when you click on Update Driver first
before proceeding to the next step.
Email direct to me.

Bruce N7XGR

On Tue, Oct 4, 2022 at 1:30 PM w5ec <bhw5ec@...> wrote:

I tried but the installation stopped at step 8 and quit. Can't figure our
why.
Bill W5EC






w5ec
 

I tried but the installation stopped at step 8 and quit. Can't figure our why.
Bill W5EC


w5ec
 

I can't figure why the driver installation stops at step 8 !!!!!

Bill W5EC


w5ec
 

My problem is that I can't get the driver to install1
It hiccups at step 8 and stops!


Tim Dawson
 

cmake and make is what *I* use to build it.

(And i don't use any of that apt nonsense, since it doesn't exist on my box . . .)

?????

On October 3, 2022 11:31:46 AM CDT, William Smith <w_smith@...> wrote:
Except wsjt-x doesn't use make.

From previous thread in June, so it may be out of date:
/*
#!/usr/bin/env bash
sudo apt update && sudo DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive apt upgrade -y
sudo apt install -y qtmultimedia5-dev \
libqt5serialport5-dev \
qttools5-dev \
qttools5-dev-tools \
libqt5multimedia5-plugins \
libboost-all-dev \
libfftw3-dev \
libreadline-dev \
libusb-1.0-0-dev \
libudev-dev \
portaudio19-dev \
cmake \
libgfortran5 \
build-essential
mkdir wsjtx
cd wsjtx
wget -O wsjtx-2.5.4.tgz
https://sourceforge.net/projects/wsjt/files/wsjtx-2.5.4/wsjtx-2.5.4.tgz/download
tar -xzf wsjtx-2.5.4.tgz
mkdir build
cd build
cmake -DWSJT_SKIP_MANPAGES=ON -DWSJT_GENERATE_DOCS=OFF ../wsjtx-2.5.4
sudo cmake --build . --target install

I may dig out a Pi on the weekend to try this and see if I've missed
anything, but I think it'll work.

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VK1MC
*/

See, it's simple! 🤪

73, Willie N1JBJ

On Oct 3, 2022, at 11:52 AM, Tim Dawson <tadawson@...> wrote:

I'm sorry that typing "make" and "make install" (and possibly ./configure) causes you so much angst!





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William Smith
 

Except wsjt-x doesn't use make.

From previous thread in June, so it may be out of date:

/*
#!/usr/bin/env bash
sudo apt update && sudo DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive apt upgrade -y
sudo apt install -y qtmultimedia5-dev \
libqt5serialport5-dev \
qttools5-dev \
qttools5-dev-tools \
libqt5multimedia5-plugins \
libboost-all-dev \
libfftw3-dev \
libreadline-dev \
libusb-1.0-0-dev \
libudev-dev \
portaudio19-dev \
cmake \
libgfortran5 \
build-essential
mkdir wsjtx
cd wsjtx
wget -O wsjtx-2.5.4.tgz
https://sourceforge.net/projects/wsjt/files/wsjtx-2.5.4/wsjtx-2.5.4.tgz/download
tar -xzf wsjtx-2.5.4.tgz
mkdir build
cd build
cmake -DWSJT_SKIP_MANPAGES=ON -DWSJT_GENERATE_DOCS=OFF ../wsjtx-2.5.4
sudo cmake --build . --target install

I may dig out a Pi on the weekend to try this and see if I've missed
anything, but I think it'll work.

--
MC
VK1MC
*/

See, it's simple! 🤪

73, Willie N1JBJ

On Oct 3, 2022, at 11:52 AM, Tim Dawson <tadawson@...> wrote:

I'm sorry that typing "make" and "make install" (and possibly ./configure) causes you so much angst!


Tim Dawson
 

Sorry . . . .

and for wsjtx, "cmake ..", "make", and "make install" . . .

On October 3, 2022 9:16:53 AM CDT, careyfisher@... wrote:
"...an issue which is trivially resolved by simply compiling for your
platform!..."

I rest my case.

Carey, WB4HXE

On Sun, Oct 2, 2022 at 1:43 PM Tim Dawson <tadawson@...> wrote:

The applications are 100% cross compatible in most cases! What may not be
are the compiles . . . . an issue which is trivially resolved by simply
compiling for your platform! And the kernels, other than version, so not
vary between dist, nor do the Gnu tools, etc. A distro is just that - a
collection of things put in a wrapper. The distro authors don't write any
of that, other than possibly distro-centric admim "crutch" tools. (IE, a
skilled user can admin any variant exactly the same way with the same
toolset - a text editor!)

On October 2, 2022 10:15:39 AM CDT, careyfisher@... wrote:
I can’t believe how many different Linux versions there are with
incompatibilities all over the map. How does anyone figure out which app
version works with which Linux version. Ubuntu, Fedora, Alpine, BSD,
FreeBSD… At last count there are over 600 distros and 500 in active
development. And don’t get me started on Codenames such as Etch, Lenny,
Squeeze, Wheezy, Jessie etc for the Debian distro.

On Sun, Oct 2, 2022 at 11:07 AM Roger <groups@...>
wrote:

On 02/10/2022 14:31, w5ec wrote:
I haven't, but I will today. I can't believe that a brand new radio
doesn't come ready to play!

I can't believe how Microsoft make life so difficult for everyone.

73
Roger
GW4HZZA





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Tim Dawson
 

I'm sorry that typing "make" and "make install" (and possibly ./configure) causes you so much angst!

On October 3, 2022 9:16:53 AM CDT, careyfisher@... wrote:
"...an issue which is trivially resolved by simply compiling for your
platform!..."

I rest my case.

Carey, WB4HXE

On Sun, Oct 2, 2022 at 1:43 PM Tim Dawson <tadawson@...> wrote:

The applications are 100% cross compatible in most cases! What may not be
are the compiles . . . . an issue which is trivially resolved by simply
compiling for your platform! And the kernels, other than version, so not
vary between dist, nor do the Gnu tools, etc. A distro is just that - a
collection of things put in a wrapper. The distro authors don't write any
of that, other than possibly distro-centric admim "crutch" tools. (IE, a
skilled user can admin any variant exactly the same way with the same
toolset - a text editor!)

On October 2, 2022 10:15:39 AM CDT, careyfisher@... wrote:
I can’t believe how many different Linux versions there are with
incompatibilities all over the map. How does anyone figure out which app
version works with which Linux version. Ubuntu, Fedora, Alpine, BSD,
FreeBSD… At last count there are over 600 distros and 500 in active
development. And don’t get me started on Codenames such as Etch, Lenny,
Squeeze, Wheezy, Jessie etc for the Debian distro.

On Sun, Oct 2, 2022 at 11:07 AM Roger <groups@...>
wrote:

On 02/10/2022 14:31, w5ec wrote:
I haven't, but I will today. I can't believe that a brand new radio
doesn't come ready to play!

I can't believe how Microsoft make life so difficult for everyone.

73
Roger
GW4HZZA





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careyfisher@...
 

"...an issue which is trivially resolved by simply compiling for your
platform!..."

I rest my case.

Carey, WB4HXE

On Sun, Oct 2, 2022 at 1:43 PM Tim Dawson <tadawson@...> wrote:

The applications are 100% cross compatible in most cases! What may not be
are the compiles . . . . an issue which is trivially resolved by simply
compiling for your platform! And the kernels, other than version, so not
vary between dist, nor do the Gnu tools, etc. A distro is just that - a
collection of things put in a wrapper. The distro authors don't write any
of that, other than possibly distro-centric admim "crutch" tools. (IE, a
skilled user can admin any variant exactly the same way with the same
toolset - a text editor!)

On October 2, 2022 10:15:39 AM CDT, careyfisher@... wrote:
I can’t believe how many different Linux versions there are with
incompatibilities all over the map. How does anyone figure out which app
version works with which Linux version. Ubuntu, Fedora, Alpine, BSD,
FreeBSD… At last count there are over 600 distros and 500 in active
development. And don’t get me started on Codenames such as Etch, Lenny,
Squeeze, Wheezy, Jessie etc for the Debian distro.

On Sun, Oct 2, 2022 at 11:07 AM Roger <groups@...>
wrote:

On 02/10/2022 14:31, w5ec wrote:
I haven't, but I will today. I can't believe that a brand new radio
doesn't come ready to play!

I can't believe how Microsoft make life so difficult for everyone.

73
Roger
GW4HZZA





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Tim Dawson
 

My father loaded apps constantly. It's trivial . . .

On October 2, 2022 10:02:44 PM CDT, Jim Brown <k9yc@...> wrote:
On 10/2/2022 5:03 PM, Tim Dawson wrote:
I put my 80+ year old parents on Linux and off of Whinders . . . .*THEY* found itnfar easier as well.
But could THEY have installed it all and gotten it working, including all the apps, all the history of those apps?

Really? The VM process seems pretty trivial from here . . . and I
walked away from Windows (personal, ham, and professional - and I work
in technology) somewhere in the mid 90's . .
I can create a VM to run <whatever> in in 60 seconds or so .
Good for you. But computers are your biz. They are not mine, even though I've been using them professionally since 1980.

As to "technology," I worked in "technology" from '62 to '10 -- I engineered in radio and TV broadcasting, did field service on a wide variety of audio and video systems, designed complex sound systems that required that I know circuit theory, electronics, acoustics, and speech intelligibility; to design and integrate wireless mic systems, I had to apply antenna design and transmission lines. I utilized very complex signal processing systems for large sound systems that ran on Windoze hardware, interconnected with wired Ethernet. A few years ago, managing my investments, I realized "technology" had come to mean computers and the internet. Silly me.

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Jim Brown
 

On 10/2/2022 5:03 PM, Tim Dawson wrote:
I put my 80+ year old parents on Linux and off of Whinders . . . .*THEY* found itnfar easier as well.
But could THEY have installed it all and gotten it working, including all the apps, all the history of those apps?

Really? The VM process seems pretty trivial from here . . . and I
walked away from Windows (personal, ham, and professional - and I work
in technology) somewhere in the mid 90's . .
I can create a VM to run <whatever> in in 60 seconds or so .
Good for you. But computers are your biz. They are not mine, even though I've been using them professionally since 1980.

As to "technology," I worked in "technology" from '62 to '10 -- I engineered in radio and TV broadcasting, did field service on a wide variety of audio and video systems, designed complex sound systems that required that I know circuit theory, electronics, acoustics, and speech intelligibility; to design and integrate wireless mic systems, I had to apply antenna design and transmission lines. I utilized very complex signal processing systems for large sound systems that ran on Windoze hardware, interconnected with wired Ethernet. A few years ago, managing my investments, I realized "technology" had come to mean computers and the internet. Silly me.

73, Jim K9YC


Tim Dawson
 

And yes, I *AM* saying Win in a kvm VM is better . . . . far faster boots, similar run speed (depends on the VM config) and it can't corrupt the rest of t stem!

On October 2, 2022 6:22:52 PM CDT, Gilbert Baron <w0mn00@...> wrote:
For you MAYBE yes, for many, not so much. If I am going to use Windows apps like N1MM ( no real substitute exists) and DXLabs for logging and award tracking I have to use Windows. You cannot really say that running Windows in a VM is better than Native, really??

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From: main@WSJTX.groups.io <main@WSJTX.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim Dawson
Sent: Sunday, October 2, 2022 5:54 PM
To: main@WSJTX.groups.io
Subject: Re: [WSJTX] Need help setting up IC7300 #hamlib #bearing #Icom

Really? The VM process seems pretty trivial from here . . . and I walked away from Windows (personal, ham, and professional - and I work in technology) somewhere in the mid 90's . . . Stop buying into the MS lies!

I can create a VM to run <whatever> in in 60 seconds or so . . . . load time for an OS is typically 10's of minutes max . . . and, to avoid the VM, dual hootmis another trivially simple config.

On October 2, 2022 5:23:22 PM CDT, Gilbert Baron <w0mn00@...> wrote:
One problem that keeps people from Linux is they then have to know 2 systems since for most people total abandonment of Windows or even MacOS is just not a viable solution.

For example there is no RTSystems for Linux nor DXLABS, nor N1MM. Running those in a virtual machine is just not a reasonable process to mess with.

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@WSJTX.groups.io <main@WSJTX.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim Dawson
Sent: Sunday, October 2, 2022 3:26 PM
To: main@WSJTX.groups.io
Subject: Re: [WSJTX] Need help setting up IC7300 #hamlib #bearing #Icom

That's exactly why I run Linux - shack, personal, and professional. I have yet to find anything I cannot do (well, except BSOD . . . ). The key on things like mail is to use *standards*! I can get 100% access to my mail from any platform . . . the app really has no bearing . . .

And, god forbid, I absolutely must run something in Whinduhs, it runs better inside Linux virtualization than native, and I get both platforms on the same hardware and screen simultaneously. (I do try to avoid this, since even though virtualization protects the base system, Windows is Windows and can still corrupt itself . . . )

On October 2, 2022 2:52:49 PM CDT, Jim Brown <k9yc@...> wrote:
On 10/2/2022 11:39 AM, Roger wrote:
I agree there are numerous Linux versions but the incompatibility you claim just don't exist. The problems I see here are usually an old Linux version with too lower version of a library.

I run WSJTX of three different Linux distributions here with no problem.
For most of us, choice of an operating system are influenced by MANY uses of that computer, everything from word processing to spreadsheets to numerous specialty applications like contest logging, antenna modeling, and many others. Yes, there are Linux apps for many of these functions, but I don't know of a single SERIOUS contest logger. And most of us need apps to EASILY interact with legacy project files. My email software installation holds 14 years worth of email history. My antenna modeling and Smith Chart software (two different programs) hold designs going back that far. My general logging program goes back to 2003. With 60 years as a working systems engineer, I learned a LONG time ago, that "if it ain't broke, don't fix it."

Some of us can afford to dedicate a computer to the shack, but I'd bet that the vast majority of hams must make ham apps work on the single computer that they already own, and that must do the rest of their computing.

73, Jim K9YC




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Tim Dawson
 

I put my 80+ year old parents on Linux and off of Whinders . . . . *THEY* found itnfar easier as well.

Again, don't buy into the MS lies!

On October 2, 2022 6:22:52 PM CDT, Gilbert Baron <w0mn00@...> wrote:
For you MAYBE yes, for many, not so much. If I am going to use Windows apps like N1MM ( no real substitute exists) and DXLabs for logging and award tracking I have to use Windows. You cannot really say that running Windows in a VM is better than Native, really??

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@WSJTX.groups.io <main@WSJTX.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim Dawson
Sent: Sunday, October 2, 2022 5:54 PM
To: main@WSJTX.groups.io
Subject: Re: [WSJTX] Need help setting up IC7300 #hamlib #bearing #Icom

Really? The VM process seems pretty trivial from here . . . and I walked away from Windows (personal, ham, and professional - and I work in technology) somewhere in the mid 90's . . . Stop buying into the MS lies!

I can create a VM to run <whatever> in in 60 seconds or so . . . . load time for an OS is typically 10's of minutes max . . . and, to avoid the VM, dual hootmis another trivially simple config.

On October 2, 2022 5:23:22 PM CDT, Gilbert Baron <w0mn00@...> wrote:
One problem that keeps people from Linux is they then have to know 2 systems since for most people total abandonment of Windows or even MacOS is just not a viable solution.

For example there is no RTSystems for Linux nor DXLABS, nor N1MM. Running those in a virtual machine is just not a reasonable process to mess with.

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@WSJTX.groups.io <main@WSJTX.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim Dawson
Sent: Sunday, October 2, 2022 3:26 PM
To: main@WSJTX.groups.io
Subject: Re: [WSJTX] Need help setting up IC7300 #hamlib #bearing #Icom

That's exactly why I run Linux - shack, personal, and professional. I have yet to find anything I cannot do (well, except BSOD . . . ). The key on things like mail is to use *standards*! I can get 100% access to my mail from any platform . . . the app really has no bearing . . .

And, god forbid, I absolutely must run something in Whinduhs, it runs better inside Linux virtualization than native, and I get both platforms on the same hardware and screen simultaneously. (I do try to avoid this, since even though virtualization protects the base system, Windows is Windows and can still corrupt itself . . . )

On October 2, 2022 2:52:49 PM CDT, Jim Brown <k9yc@...> wrote:
On 10/2/2022 11:39 AM, Roger wrote:
I agree there are numerous Linux versions but the incompatibility you claim just don't exist. The problems I see here are usually an old Linux version with too lower version of a library.

I run WSJTX of three different Linux distributions here with no problem.
For most of us, choice of an operating system are influenced by MANY uses of that computer, everything from word processing to spreadsheets to numerous specialty applications like contest logging, antenna modeling, and many others. Yes, there are Linux apps for many of these functions, but I don't know of a single SERIOUS contest logger. And most of us need apps to EASILY interact with legacy project files. My email software installation holds 14 years worth of email history. My antenna modeling and Smith Chart software (two different programs) hold designs going back that far. My general logging program goes back to 2003. With 60 years as a working systems engineer, I learned a LONG time ago, that "if it ain't broke, don't fix it."

Some of us can afford to dedicate a computer to the shack, but I'd bet that the vast majority of hams must make ham apps work on the single computer that they already own, and that must do the rest of their computing.

73, Jim K9YC




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For you MAYBE yes, for many, not so much. If I am going to use Windows apps like N1MM ( no real substitute exists) and DXLabs for logging and award tracking I have to use Windows. You cannot really say that running Windows in a VM is better than Native, really??

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@WSJTX.groups.io <main@WSJTX.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim Dawson
Sent: Sunday, October 2, 2022 5:54 PM
To: main@WSJTX.groups.io
Subject: Re: [WSJTX] Need help setting up IC7300 #hamlib #bearing #Icom

Really? The VM process seems pretty trivial from here . . . and I walked away from Windows (personal, ham, and professional - and I work in technology) somewhere in the mid 90's . . . Stop buying into the MS lies!

I can create a VM to run <whatever> in in 60 seconds or so . . . . load time for an OS is typically 10's of minutes max . . . and, to avoid the VM, dual hootmis another trivially simple config.

On October 2, 2022 5:23:22 PM CDT, Gilbert Baron <w0mn00@...> wrote:
One problem that keeps people from Linux is they then have to know 2 systems since for most people total abandonment of Windows or even MacOS is just not a viable solution.

For example there is no RTSystems for Linux nor DXLABS, nor N1MM. Running those in a virtual machine is just not a reasonable process to mess with.

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@WSJTX.groups.io <main@WSJTX.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim Dawson
Sent: Sunday, October 2, 2022 3:26 PM
To: main@WSJTX.groups.io
Subject: Re: [WSJTX] Need help setting up IC7300 #hamlib #bearing #Icom

That's exactly why I run Linux - shack, personal, and professional. I have yet to find anything I cannot do (well, except BSOD . . . ). The key on things like mail is to use *standards*! I can get 100% access to my mail from any platform . . . the app really has no bearing . . .

And, god forbid, I absolutely must run something in Whinduhs, it runs better inside Linux virtualization than native, and I get both platforms on the same hardware and screen simultaneously. (I do try to avoid this, since even though virtualization protects the base system, Windows is Windows and can still corrupt itself . . . )

On October 2, 2022 2:52:49 PM CDT, Jim Brown <k9yc@...> wrote:
On 10/2/2022 11:39 AM, Roger wrote:
I agree there are numerous Linux versions but the incompatibility you claim just don't exist. The problems I see here are usually an old Linux version with too lower version of a library.

I run WSJTX of three different Linux distributions here with no problem.
For most of us, choice of an operating system are influenced by MANY uses of that computer, everything from word processing to spreadsheets to numerous specialty applications like contest logging, antenna modeling, and many others. Yes, there are Linux apps for many of these functions, but I don't know of a single SERIOUS contest logger. And most of us need apps to EASILY interact with legacy project files. My email software installation holds 14 years worth of email history. My antenna modeling and Smith Chart software (two different programs) hold designs going back that far. My general logging program goes back to 2003. With 60 years as a working systems engineer, I learned a LONG time ago, that "if it ain't broke, don't fix it."

Some of us can afford to dedicate a computer to the shack, but I'd bet that the vast majority of hams must make ham apps work on the single computer that they already own, and that must do the rest of their computing.

73, Jim K9YC




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Tim Dawson
 

Really? The VM process seems pretty trivial from here . . . and I walked away from Windows (personal, ham, and professional - and I work in technology) somewhere in the mid 90's . . . Stop buying into the MS lies!

I can create a VM to run <whatever> in in 60 seconds or so . . . . load time for an OS is typically 10's of minutes max . . . and, to avoid the VM, dual hootmis another trivially simple config.

On October 2, 2022 5:23:22 PM CDT, Gilbert Baron <w0mn00@...> wrote:
One problem that keeps people from Linux is they then have to know 2 systems since for most people total abandonment of Windows or even MacOS is just not a viable solution.

For example there is no RTSystems for Linux nor DXLABS, nor N1MM. Running those in a virtual machine is just not a reasonable process to mess with.

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@WSJTX.groups.io <main@WSJTX.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim Dawson
Sent: Sunday, October 2, 2022 3:26 PM
To: main@WSJTX.groups.io
Subject: Re: [WSJTX] Need help setting up IC7300 #hamlib #bearing #Icom

That's exactly why I run Linux - shack, personal, and professional. I have yet to find anything I cannot do (well, except BSOD . . . ). The key on things like mail is to use *standards*! I can get 100% access to my mail from any platform . . . the app really has no bearing . . .

And, god forbid, I absolutely must run something in Whinduhs, it runs better inside Linux virtualization than native, and I get both platforms on the same hardware and screen simultaneously. (I do try to avoid this, since even though virtualization protects the base system, Windows is Windows and can still corrupt itself . . . )

On October 2, 2022 2:52:49 PM CDT, Jim Brown <k9yc@...> wrote:
On 10/2/2022 11:39 AM, Roger wrote:
I agree there are numerous Linux versions but the incompatibility you claim just don't exist. The problems I see here are usually an old Linux version with too lower version of a library.

I run WSJTX of three different Linux distributions here with no problem.
For most of us, choice of an operating system are influenced by MANY uses of that computer, everything from word processing to spreadsheets to numerous specialty applications like contest logging, antenna modeling, and many others. Yes, there are Linux apps for many of these functions, but I don't know of a single SERIOUS contest logger. And most of us need apps to EASILY interact with legacy project files. My email software installation holds 14 years worth of email history. My antenna modeling and Smith Chart software (two different programs) hold designs going back that far. My general logging program goes back to 2003. With 60 years as a working systems engineer, I learned a LONG time ago, that "if it ain't broke, don't fix it."

Some of us can afford to dedicate a computer to the shack, but I'd bet that the vast majority of hams must make ham apps work on the single computer that they already own, and that must do the rest of their computing.

73, Jim K9YC




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Gilbert Baron
 

One problem that keeps people from Linux is they then have to know 2 systems since for most people total abandonment of Windows or even MacOS is just not a viable solution.

For example there is no RTSystems for Linux nor DXLABS, nor N1MM. Running those in a virtual machine is just not a reasonable process to mess with.

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From: main@WSJTX.groups.io <main@WSJTX.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim Dawson
Sent: Sunday, October 2, 2022 3:26 PM
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Subject: Re: [WSJTX] Need help setting up IC7300 #hamlib #bearing #Icom

That's exactly why I run Linux - shack, personal, and professional. I have yet to find anything I cannot do (well, except BSOD . . . ). The key on things like mail is to use *standards*! I can get 100% access to my mail from any platform . . . the app really has no bearing . . .

And, god forbid, I absolutely must run something in Whinduhs, it runs better inside Linux virtualization than native, and I get both platforms on the same hardware and screen simultaneously. (I do try to avoid this, since even though virtualization protects the base system, Windows is Windows and can still corrupt itself . . . )

On October 2, 2022 2:52:49 PM CDT, Jim Brown <k9yc@...> wrote:
On 10/2/2022 11:39 AM, Roger wrote:
I agree there are numerous Linux versions but the incompatibility you claim just don't exist. The problems I see here are usually an old Linux version with too lower version of a library.

I run WSJTX of three different Linux distributions here with no problem.
For most of us, choice of an operating system are influenced by MANY uses of that computer, everything from word processing to spreadsheets to numerous specialty applications like contest logging, antenna modeling, and many others. Yes, there are Linux apps for many of these functions, but I don't know of a single SERIOUS contest logger. And most of us need apps to EASILY interact with legacy project files. My email software installation holds 14 years worth of email history. My antenna modeling and Smith Chart software (two different programs) hold designs going back that far. My general logging program goes back to 2003. With 60 years as a working systems engineer, I learned a LONG time ago, that "if it ain't broke, don't fix it."

Some of us can afford to dedicate a computer to the shack, but I'd bet that the vast majority of hams must make ham apps work on the single computer that they already own, and that must do the rest of their computing.

73, Jim K9YC




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Tim Dawson
 

That's exactly why I run Linux - shack, personal, and professional. I have yet to find anything I cannot do (well, except BSOD . . . ). The key on things like mail is to use *standards*! I can get 100% access to my mail from any platform . . . the app really has no bearing . . .

And, god forbid, I absolutely must run something in Whinduhs, it runs better inside Linux virtualization than native, and I get both platforms on the same hardware and screen simultaneously. (I do try to avoid this, since even though virtualization protects the base system, Windows is Windows and can still corrupt itself . . . )

On October 2, 2022 2:52:49 PM CDT, Jim Brown <k9yc@...> wrote:
On 10/2/2022 11:39 AM, Roger wrote:
I agree there are numerous Linux versions but the incompatibility you claim just don't exist.  The problems I see here are usually an old Linux version with too lower version of a library.

I run WSJTX of three different Linux distributions here with no problem.
For most of us, choice of an operating system are influenced by MANY uses of that computer, everything from word processing to spreadsheets to numerous specialty applications like contest logging, antenna modeling, and many others. Yes, there are Linux apps for many of these functions, but I don't know of a single SERIOUS contest logger. And most of us need apps to EASILY interact with legacy project files. My email software installation holds 14 years worth of email history. My antenna modeling and Smith Chart software (two different programs) hold designs going back that far. My general logging program goes back to 2003. With 60 years as a working systems engineer, I learned a LONG time ago, that "if it ain't broke, don't fix it."

Some of us can afford to dedicate a computer to the shack, but I'd bet that the vast majority of hams must make ham apps work on the single computer that they already own, and that must do the rest of their computing.

73, Jim K9YC




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Jim Brown
 

On 10/2/2022 11:39 AM, Roger wrote:
I agree there are numerous Linux versions but the incompatibility you claim just don't exist.  The problems I see here are usually an old Linux version with too lower version of a library.
I run WSJTX of three different Linux distributions here with no problem.
For most of us, choice of an operating system are influenced by MANY uses of that computer, everything from word processing to spreadsheets to numerous specialty applications like contest logging, antenna modeling, and many others. Yes, there are Linux apps for many of these functions, but I don't know of a single SERIOUS contest logger. And most of us need apps to EASILY interact with legacy project files. My email software installation holds 14 years worth of email history. My antenna modeling and Smith Chart software (two different programs) hold designs going back that far. My general logging program goes back to 2003. With 60 years as a working systems engineer, I learned a LONG time ago, that "if it ain't broke, don't fix it."

Some of us can afford to dedicate a computer to the shack, but I'd bet that the vast majority of hams must make ham apps work on the single computer that they already own, and that must do the rest of their computing.

73, Jim K9YC


Roger
 

On 02/10/2022 16:15, careyfisher@... wrote:
I can’t believe how many different Linux versions there are with
incompatibilities all over the map. How does anyone figure out which app
version works with which Linux version. Ubuntu, Fedora, Alpine, BSD,
FreeBSD… At last count there are over 600 distros and 500 in active
development. And don’t get me started on Codenames such as Etch, Lenny,
Squeeze, Wheezy, Jessie etc for the Debian distro.
On Sun, Oct 2, 2022 at 11:07 AM Roger <groups@...> wrote:

On 02/10/2022 14:31, w5ec wrote:
I haven't, but I will today. I can't believe that a brand new radio
doesn't come ready to play!

I can't believe how Microsoft make life so difficult for everyone.

73
Roger
GW4HZZA
I agree there are numerous Linux versions but the incompatibility you claim just don't exist. The problems I see here are usually an old Linux version with too lower version of a library.

I run WSJTX of three different Linux distributions here with no problem.


Tim Dawson
 

That, overall, is a correct statement! Having used all three major platforms (Mac, Win, and Linux) Linux is far, far, easier and infinitely more flexible in most cases. And LinUx *IS* very user friendly! (It's just a bit choosy on who it's friends are! :-) :-) ).

On October 2, 2022 9:38:22 AM CDT, William Smith <w_smith@...> wrote:
I can’t believe your computer didn’t come with the Icom (and every other esoteric USB device) driver preinstalled. 😁

Guess you should have gotten a Linux box after all, then your _radio_ operations would be easy!

73, Willie N1JBJ

On Oct 2, 2022, at 10:03 AM, w5ec <bhw5ec@...> wrote:

. I can't believe that a brand new radio doesn't come ready to play!



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