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Good afternoon everyone. I am getting random errors in WSJT-x. A dialog box pops up that states:
Error in Sound Input. An error occurred during read from the audio input device. Now before you start telling me about RF in my cables, let me provide a few facts. First of all, this is occurring when I have not transmitted - after it has been receiving and decoding for 10-15 minutes. So that eliminates RF in my humble opinion. Secondly (it it were possibly RF) I have every single USB cable wrapped around a toroid already. both the one running from the Yaesu FT-950 to the Signalink USB, and the one from the Signalink to the PC - as well as the one running from the USB speakers to the PC).. And I have the entire station sitting on a grounded sheet of aluminum, which is grounded to a copper pipe that in turn is grounded to an outside copper rod driven into the ground. So I feel comfortable that it is not RFI - even further more when it is occurring when I am in Receive only mode. I know a number of others have posted about this in the past and they always get feedback about RF. I am of the firm opinion that it is an issue between the software and the Windows USB codec. Drivers can often cause flaky issues and I think that may be the case here. One other point, I am also running JT Alert. And I am running the latest patches in Windows 10. So are there any software experts that might have any ideas what I could try to resolve this? Thanks for any help and 73, Mike, AE8U |
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Michael Black
Have you turned off USB suspend in the USB device settings?On your USB hub too?
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Mike W9MDB On Friday, February 4, 2022, 05:22:00 PM CST, Michael Ernst <mernst@...> wrote:
Good afternoon everyone. I am getting random errors in WSJT-x. A dialog box pops up that states: Error in Sound Input. An error occurred during read from the audio input device. Now before you start telling me about RF in my cables, let me provide a few facts. First of all, this is occurring when I have not transmitted - after it has been receiving and decoding for 10-15 minutes. So that eliminates RF in my humble opinion. Secondly (it it were possibly RF) I have every single USB cable wrapped around a toroid already. both the one running from the Yaesu FT-950 to the Signalink USB, and the one from the Signalink to the PC - as well as the one running from the USB speakers to the PC).. And I have the entire station sitting on a grounded sheet of aluminum, which is grounded to a copper pipe that in turn is grounded to an outside copper rod driven into the ground. So I feel comfortable that it is not RFI - even further more when it is occurring when I am in Receive only mode. I know a number of others have posted about this in the past and they always get feedback about RF. I am of the firm opinion that it is an issue between the software and the Windows USB codec. Drivers can often cause flaky issues and I think that may be the case here. One other point, I am also running JT Alert. And I am running the latest patches in Windows 10. So are there any software experts that might have any ideas what I could try to resolve this? Thanks for any help and 73, Mike, AE8U |
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Mike, That is a good question and I will definitely check (Elvis has left the building for today). :-)I was thinking I had seen a reference to that and had checked, but if I did I only checked the device and not the hub.Thanks for the info and 73,Mike, AE8USent from my T-Mobile 5G Device
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-------- Original message --------From: "Michael Black via groups.io" <mdblack98@...> Date: 2/4/22 18:34 (GMT-05:00) To: main@WSJTX.groups.io Subject: Re: [WSJTX] Error In Sound Input #AudioIssues Have you turned off USB suspend in the USB device settings?On your USB hub too?Mike W9MDB On Friday, February 4, 2022, 05:22:00 PM CST, Michael Ernst <mernst@...> wrote: Good afternoon everyone. I am getting random errors in WSJT-x. A dialog box pops up that states: Error in Sound Input.An error occurred during read from the audio input device.Now before you start telling me about RF in my cables, let me provide a few facts. First of all, this is occurring when I have not transmitted - after it has been receiving and decoding for 10-15 minutes. So that eliminates RF in my humble opinion. Secondly (it it were possibly RF) I have every single USB cable wrapped around a toroid already. both the one running from the Yaesu FT-950 to the Signalink USB, and the one from the Signalink to the PC - as well as the one running from the USB speakers to the PC).. And I have the entire station sitting on a grounded sheet of aluminum, which is grounded to a copper pipe that in turn is grounded to an outside copper rod driven into the ground. So I feel comfortable that it is not RFI - even further more when it is occurring when I am in Receive only mode.I know a number of others have posted about this in the past and they always get feedback about RF. I am of the firm opinion that it is an issue between the software and the Windows USB codec. Drivers can often cause flaky issues and I think that may be the case here. One other point, I am also running JT Alert. And I am running the latest patches in Windows 10. So are there any software experts that might have any ideas what I could try to resolve this?Thanks for any help and 73,Mike, AE8U
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Do you have every piece of equipment in your station configuration bonded to a common point? I use the power supply ground terminal for my station common point. As others have found, a star ground system is preferred to a daisy chain series system of bonding.
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I do indeed. All equipment and the sheet metal it is sitting on is bonded to a copper pipe running along the back of the sheet metal. Thanks,Mike, AE8USent from my T-Mobile 5G Device
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-------- Original message --------From: Bob McGraw - K4TAX <rmcgraw@...> Date: 2/5/22 00:47 (GMT-05:00) To: main@WSJTX.groups.io Subject: Re: [WSJTX] Error In Sound Input #AudioIssues Do you have every piece of equipment in your station configuration bonded to a common point? I use the power supply ground terminal for my station common point. As others have found, a star ground system is preferred to a daisy chain series system of bonding. 73Bob, K4TAX
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Michael Black
And where is your copper pipe grounded?
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Mike W9MDB On Saturday, February 5, 2022, 07:26:02 AM CST, Michael Ernst <mernst@...> wrote:
I do indeed. All equipment and the sheet metal it is sitting on is bonded to a copper pipe running along the back of the sheet metal. Thanks,Mike, AE8USent from my T-Mobile 5G Device -------- Original message --------From: Bob McGraw - K4TAX <rmcgraw@...> Date: 2/5/22 00:47 (GMT-05:00) To: main@WSJTX.groups.io Subject: Re: [WSJTX] Error In Sound Input #AudioIssues Do you have every piece of equipment in your station configuration bonded to a common point? I use the power supply ground terminal for my station common point. As others have found, a star ground system is preferred to a daisy chain series system of bonding. 73Bob, K4TAX |
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The copper pipe has a 2/0 gauge copper wire running to an 8 foot ground rod. And it has a capacitor across it, to eliminate common mode.Thanks, Mike, AE8USent from my T-Mobile 5G Device
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-------- Original message --------From: "Michael Black via groups.io" <mdblack98@...> Date: 2/5/22 08:32 (GMT-05:00) To: main@WSJTX.groups.io Subject: Re: [WSJTX] Error In Sound Input #AudioIssues And where is your copper pipe grounded?Mike W9MDB On Saturday, February 5, 2022, 07:26:02 AM CST, Michael Ernst <mernst@...> wrote: I do indeed. All equipment and the sheet metal it is sitting on is bonded to a copper pipe running along the back of the sheet metal. Thanks,Mike, AE8USent from my T-Mobile 5G Device-------- Original message --------From: Bob McGraw - K4TAX <rmcgraw@...> Date: 2/5/22 00:47 (GMT-05:00) To: main@WSJTX.groups.io Subject: Re: [WSJTX] Error In Sound Input #AudioIssues Do you have every piece of equipment in your station configuration bonded to a common point? I use the power supply ground terminal for my station common point. As others have found, a star ground system is preferred to a daisy chain series system of bonding. 73Bob, K4TAX
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But as I stated in my original post, it is occurring when I am not transmitting. I walked away to go eat and came back later and the error had occurred sometime while I was gone. And this has happened more than once. Sent from my T-Mobile 5G Device
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-------- Original message --------From: "Michael Black via groups.io" <mdblack98@...> Date: 2/5/22 08:32 (GMT-05:00) To: main@WSJTX.groups.io Subject: Re: [WSJTX] Error In Sound Input #AudioIssues And where is your copper pipe grounded?Mike W9MDB On Saturday, February 5, 2022, 07:26:02 AM CST, Michael Ernst <mernst@...> wrote: I do indeed. All equipment and the sheet metal it is sitting on is bonded to a copper pipe running along the back of the sheet metal. Thanks,Mike, AE8USent from my T-Mobile 5G Device-------- Original message --------From: Bob McGraw - K4TAX <rmcgraw@...> Date: 2/5/22 00:47 (GMT-05:00) To: main@WSJTX.groups.io Subject: Re: [WSJTX] Error In Sound Input #AudioIssues Do you have every piece of equipment in your station configuration bonded to a common point? I use the power supply ground terminal for my station common point. As others have found, a star ground system is preferred to a daisy chain series system of bonding. 73Bob, K4TAX
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Reino Talarmo
Hi, do you have HDMI connected display in your PC? It may also contain a sound interface that goes to sleep and causes all audio devices re-numerated. You may not be able to inactive that audio interface in Windows, or force it be always active; both should help.
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73, Reino OH3mA But as I stated in my original post, it is occurring when I am not transmitting. I walked away to go eat and came back later and the error had occurred sometime while I was gone. And this has happened more than once. Sent from my T-Mobile 5G Device |
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Michael Black
And is your 8 foot ground rod tied the house's main ground outside?Required by electrical code and if not causes two different ground potentials in the shack as your computer & power supply will be grounded to the house.
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Mike W9MDB On Saturday, February 5, 2022, 07:54:08 AM CST, Michael Ernst <mernst@...> wrote:
The copper pipe has a 2/0 gauge copper wire running to an 8 foot ground rod. And it has a capacitor across it, to eliminate common mode.Thanks, Mike, AE8USent from my T-Mobile 5G Device -------- Original message --------From: "Michael Black via groups.io" <mdblack98@...> Date: 2/5/22 08:32 (GMT-05:00) To: main@WSJTX.groups.io Subject: Re: [WSJTX] Error In Sound Input #AudioIssues And where is your copper pipe grounded?Mike W9MDB On Saturday, February 5, 2022, 07:26:02 AM CST, Michael Ernst <mernst@...> wrote: I do indeed. All equipment and the sheet metal it is sitting on is bonded to a copper pipe running along the back of the sheet metal. Thanks,Mike, AE8USent from my T-Mobile 5G Device-------- Original message --------From: Bob McGraw - K4TAX <rmcgraw@...> Date: 2/5/22 00:47 (GMT-05:00) To: main@WSJTX.groups.io Subject: Re: [WSJTX] Error In Sound Input #AudioIssues Do you have every piece of equipment in your station configuration bonded to a common point? I use the power supply ground terminal for my station common point. As others have found, a star ground system is preferred to a daisy chain series system of bonding. 73Bob, K4TAX |
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Yes. But what does that have to do with my error?Sent from my T-Mobile 5G Device
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-------- Original message --------From: "Michael Black via groups.io" <mdblack98@...> Date: 2/5/22 09:21 (GMT-05:00) To: main@WSJTX.groups.io Subject: Re: [WSJTX] Error In Sound Input #AudioIssues And is your 8 foot ground rod tied the house's main ground outside?Required by electrical code and if not causes two different ground potentials in the shack as your computer & power supply will be grounded to the house.Mike W9MDB On Saturday, February 5, 2022, 07:54:08 AM CST, Michael Ernst <mernst@...> wrote: The copper pipe has a 2/0 gauge copper wire running to an 8 foot ground rod. And it has a capacitor across it, to eliminate common mode.Thanks, Mike, AE8USent from my T-Mobile 5G Device-------- Original message --------From: "Michael Black via groups.io" <mdblack98@...> Date: 2/5/22 08:32 (GMT-05:00) To: main@WSJTX.groups.io Subject: Re: [WSJTX] Error In Sound Input #AudioIssues And where is your copper pipe grounded?Mike W9MDB On Saturday, February 5, 2022, 07:26:02 AM CST, Michael Ernst <mernst@...> wrote: I do indeed. All equipment and the sheet metal it is sitting on is bonded to a copper pipe running along the back of the sheet metal. Thanks,Mike, AE8USent from my T-Mobile 5G Device-------- Original message --------From: Bob McGraw - K4TAX <rmcgraw@...> Date: 2/5/22 00:47 (GMT-05:00) To: main@WSJTX.groups.io Subject: Re: [WSJTX] Error In Sound Input #AudioIssues Do you have every piece of equipment in your station configuration bonded to a common point? I use the power supply ground terminal for my station common point. As others have found, a star ground system is preferred to a daisy chain series system of bonding. 73Bob, K4TAX
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Michael Black
It really doesn't have to do with the error you are getting which is likely due to USB devices going to sleep.
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It can affect the RFI when you are transmitting plus, as I said, it's required by the electrical code in the USA. Mike W9MDB On Saturday, February 5, 2022, 09:10:38 AM CST, Michael Ernst <mernst@...> wrote:
Yes. But what does that have to do with my error?Sent from my T-Mobile 5G Device -------- Original message --------From: "Michael Black via groups.io" <mdblack98@...> Date: 2/5/22 09:21 (GMT-05:00) To: main@WSJTX.groups.io Subject: Re: [WSJTX] Error In Sound Input #AudioIssues And is your 8 foot ground rod tied the house's main ground outside?Required by electrical code and if not causes two different ground potentials in the shack as your computer & power supply will be grounded to the house.Mike W9MDB On Saturday, February 5, 2022, 07:54:08 AM CST, Michael Ernst <mernst@...> wrote: The copper pipe has a 2/0 gauge copper wire running to an 8 foot ground rod. And it has a capacitor across it, to eliminate common mode.Thanks, Mike, AE8USent from my T-Mobile 5G Device-------- Original message --------From: "Michael Black via groups.io" <mdblack98@...> Date: 2/5/22 08:32 (GMT-05:00) To: main@WSJTX.groups.io Subject: Re: [WSJTX] Error In Sound Input #AudioIssues And where is your copper pipe grounded?Mike W9MDB On Saturday, February 5, 2022, 07:26:02 AM CST, Michael Ernst <mernst@...> wrote: I do indeed. All equipment and the sheet metal it is sitting on is bonded to a copper pipe running along the back of the sheet metal. Thanks,Mike, AE8USent from my T-Mobile 5G Device-------- Original message --------From: Bob McGraw - K4TAX <rmcgraw@...> Date: 2/5/22 00:47 (GMT-05:00) To: main@WSJTX.groups.io Subject: Re: [WSJTX] Error In Sound Input #AudioIssues Do you have every piece of equipment in your station configuration bonded to a common point? I use the power supply ground terminal for my station common point. As others have found, a star ground system is preferred to a daisy chain series system of bonding. 73Bob, K4TAX |
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Istvan Nyul
Hi Mike,
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A bit far fetched idea, but aluminum and copper junctions do generate voltages that might interfere with your computer's audio card. Especially if in the same time a large power is drawn from the AC line. Just a thought... 73, Steve - VE3USP ----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Ernst (mernst@...) Date: 02/04/22 18:22 To: main@WSJTX.groups.io Subject: [WSJTX] Error In Sound Input #AudioIssues Good afternoon everyone. I am getting random errors in WSJT-x. A dialog box pops up that states: Error in Sound Input. An error occurred during read from the audio input device. Now before you start telling me about RF in my cables, let me provide a few facts. First of all, this is occurring when I have not transmitted - after it has been receiving and decoding for 10-15 minutes. So that eliminates RF in my humble opinion. Secondly (it it were possibly RF) I have every single USB cable wrapped around a toroid already. both the one running from the Yaesu FT-950 to the Signalink USB, and the one from the Signalink to the PC - as well as the one running from the USB speakers to the PC).. And I have the entire station sitting on a grounded sheet of aluminum, which is grounded to a copper pipe that in turn is grounded to an outside copper rod driven into the ground. So I feel comfortable that it is not RFI - even further more when it is occurring when I am in Receive only mode. I know a number of others have posted about this in the past and they always get feedback about RF. I am of the firm opinion that it is an issue between the software and the Windows USB codec. Drivers can often cause flaky issues and I think that may be the case here. One other point, I am also running JT Alert. And I am running the latest patches in Windows 10. So are there any software experts that might have any ideas what I could try to resolve this? Thanks for any help and 73, Mike, AE8U |
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Well the radio ground rod for the equipment is a separate one from my power panel. My house is fairly new and was built to all required code specs. And the separate radio ground rod is also grounded back to the house ground rod.Sent from my T-Mobile 5G Device
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-------- Original message --------From: "Michael Black via groups.io" <mdblack98@...> Date: 2/5/22 10:16 (GMT-05:00) To: main@WSJTX.groups.io Subject: Re: [WSJTX] Error In Sound Input #AudioIssues It really doesn't have to do with the error you are getting which is likely due to USB devices going to sleep.It can affect the RFI when you are transmitting plus, as I said, it's required by the electrical code in the USA.Mike W9MDB On Saturday, February 5, 2022, 09:10:38 AM CST, Michael Ernst <mernst@...> wrote: Yes. But what does that have to do with my error?Sent from my T-Mobile 5G Device-------- Original message --------From: "Michael Black via groups.io" <mdblack98@...> Date: 2/5/22 09:21 (GMT-05:00) To: main@WSJTX.groups.io Subject: Re: [WSJTX] Error In Sound Input #AudioIssues And is your 8 foot ground rod tied the house's main ground outside?Required by electrical code and if not causes two different ground potentials in the shack as your computer & power supply will be grounded to the house.Mike W9MDB On Saturday, February 5, 2022, 07:54:08 AM CST, Michael Ernst <mernst@...> wrote: The copper pipe has a 2/0 gauge copper wire running to an 8 foot ground rod. And it has a capacitor across it, to eliminate common mode.Thanks, Mike, AE8USent from my T-Mobile 5G Device-------- Original message --------From: "Michael Black via groups.io" <mdblack98@...> Date: 2/5/22 08:32 (GMT-05:00) To: main@WSJTX.groups.io Subject: Re: [WSJTX] Error In Sound Input #AudioIssues And where is your copper pipe grounded?Mike W9MDB On Saturday, February 5, 2022, 07:26:02 AM CST, Michael Ernst <mernst@...> wrote: I do indeed. All equipment and the sheet metal it is sitting on is bonded to a copper pipe running along the back of the sheet metal. Thanks,Mike, AE8USent from my T-Mobile 5G Device-------- Original message --------From: Bob McGraw - K4TAX <rmcgraw@...> Date: 2/5/22 00:47 (GMT-05:00) To: main@WSJTX.groups.io Subject: Re: [WSJTX] Error In Sound Input #AudioIssues Do you have every piece of equipment in your station configuration bonded to a common point? I use the power supply ground terminal for my station common point. As others have found, a star ground system is preferred to a daisy chain series system of bonding. 73Bob, K4TAX
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I can't imagine that being the cause. Since the error is frequently occurring when in the receive mode, the only current draw would be the Yaesu (not transmitting), the pc equipment and the tuner. None of those should be drawing much current.Sent from my T-Mobile 5G Device
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-------- Original message --------From: Istvan Nyul <inyul@...> Date: 2/5/22 11:37 (GMT-05:00) To: main@wsjtx.groups.io Subject: Re: [WSJTX] Error In Sound Input #AudioIssues Hi Mike,A bit far fetched idea, but aluminum and copper junctions do generate voltages that might interfere with your computer's audio card. Especially if in the same time a large power is drawn from the AC line. Just a thought...73,Steve - VE3USP----- Original Message -----From: Michael Ernst (mernst@...)Date: 02/04/22 18:22To: main@...: [WSJTX] Error In Sound Input #AudioIssuesGood afternoon everyone. I am getting random errors in WSJT-x. A dialog box pops up that states:Error in Sound Input.An error occurred during read from the audio input device.Now before you start telling me about RF in my cables, let me provide a few facts. First of all, this is occurring when I have not transmitted - after it has been receiving and decoding for 10-15 minutes. So that eliminates RF in my humble opinion. Secondly (it it were possibly RF) I have every single USB cable wrapped around a toroid already. both the one running from the Yaesu FT-950 to the Signalink USB, and the one from the Signalink to the PC - as well as the one running from the USB speakers to the PC).. And I have the entire station sitting on a grounded sheet of aluminum, which is grounded to a copper pipe that in turn is grounded to an outside copper rod driven into the ground. So I feel comfortable that it is not RFI - even further more when it is occurring when I am in Receive only mode.I know a number of others have posted about this in the past and they always get feedback about RF. I am of the firm opinion that it is an issue between the software and the Windows USB codec. Drivers can often cause flaky issues and I think that may be the case here. One other point, I am also running JT Alert. And I am running the latest patches in Windows 10. So are there any software experts that might have any ideas what I could try to resolve this?Thanks for any help and 73,Mike, AE8U
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Dean WB4GUH
Greetings guys,
I had the same issue with win10 and WSJTx. A reply came here on groups.io but I didn't bookmark it. There is an audio issue in win. This is from memory - go to settings, audio, privacy. The microphone is turned off. Enable it and your error message is history. You have to dig a bit but it's in privacy settings, who would have thought. Wish I had saved the original message to give the ham credit for this fix. 73, Dean, WB4GUH |
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I am always amused at the "extensive" grounding systems applied at some stations. I do not use a station ground! Yes, I have lightning protection devices on all feedlines and rotor cables, but these are OUTSIDE of the house. And that driven ground is bonded back, outside of the house, to the AC Mains driven ground.
As to the "station ground", I bond each piece of equipment to a common point on the station power supply. I do maintain a 3rd pin ground back to the breaker panel. For the required electric service for the station, I ran a 10-3 w/ground from the panel to the operating position. There it feeds a 20A 240 volt outlet for the amp, and I feed off L1 and L2 to 2 duplex outlets which have a neutral and ground. The breaker panel is fitted with two single 20 amp breakers. This method provides absolutely clean and trouble-free power. 73 Bob, K4TAX |
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Jim Brown
I am always amused at the "extensive" grounding systems applied at some stations. I do not use a station ground! Yes, I have lightning protection devices on all feedlines and rotor cables, but these are OUTSIDE of the house. And that driven ground is bonded back, outside of the house, to the AC Mains driven ground.Most hams confuse grounding with bonding. A connection to mother earth is CRITICAL for LIGHTNING PROTECTION. It has NOTHING to do hum, buzz, or RFI. Bonding, defined as tying together every chassis and all grounds in a premises, is critical both for lightning protection AND hum, buzz, and RFI. At the operating desk, the ideal "center," if there is one, is the rig or the power amp chassis. If a computer is part of the signal path, as it must be for digital modes, it must also be bonded. Bonding conductors should be SHORT and FAT. The operating desk must also be bonded to the antenna entry ground and the power system ground. And all grounds in a building MUST, both by the Laws of Physics, and in North America, by the LAW of building codes, be bonded together. This includes, but is not limited to, grounds for power, Telco, CATV. N0AX's ARRL book on the topic, to which I contributed, is a great reference. Also see this slide deck for talks I've done at Pacificon, Visalia, and to several ham clubs on the topic. Don't let "audio" in the title fool you -- it's 90% about everything else. http://k9yc.com/GroundingAndAudio.pdf 73, Jim K9YC |
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Barry GM4GIF <gm4gif@...>
Hi Dean,
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I think it was Joe Subich, W4TV. I had the same problem hi 73 Barry gm4gif On Sat, 5 Feb 2022 at 19:28, Dean WB4GUH <wb4guh@...> wrote:
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Sorry for not responding soon. My granddaughter had her confirmation at her church yesterday. So I was out of the net most of the day. Just now back in my shack to work on this. I run dual monitors on my computer pc. Both are regular vga connections, not hdmi.Also looking into USB settings. I have USB suspend disabled in the power management settings. I have around 15 or so individual USB components in device manager. Some of them do not have a power management tab. Those that do were all set to allow the pc to put them to sleep. I changed them all to disable that setting. (Not sure if that setting is overridden by the power management setting. But I did not want to take a chance.)Also checked to see if there were any optional updates to windows drivers and found a couple, so I installed those updates as well. Now iv will see if any of that fixed the issue. I am going to stay in receive only mode for at least a half hour to eliminate any potential rfi question.Thanks, Mike, AE8USent from my T-Mobile 5G Device
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-------- Original message --------From: Reino Talarmo <reino.talarmo@...> Date: 2/5/22 09:05 (GMT-05:00) To: main@WSJTX.groups.io Subject: Re: [WSJTX] Error In Sound Input #AudioIssues Hi, do you have HDMI connected display in your PC? It may also contain a sound interface that goes to sleep and causes all audio devices re-numerated. You may not be able to inactive that audio interface in Windows, or force it be always active; both should help.73, Reino OH3mA>But as I stated in my original post, it is occurring when I am not transmitting. I walked away to go eat and came back later and the error had occurred sometime while I was gone. And this has happened more than once. Sent from my T-Mobile 5G Device
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