locked After upgrade to WSJT-X 2.4.0, an IC-7600 no longer changes bands on SPE Expert 1K-FA power amplifier #Cat_RigControl


Frode Igland
 

A friend of mine is running an Icom IC-7600 and an SPE EXpert 1K-FA amplifier. He doesn't use the PA for WSJT-X, but all his antennas are connected to the PA, so he needs to have the PA powered. Prior to v2.4.0, the CAT control has worked smoothly. As soon as he changed bands in WSJT-X, the radio and the PA changed band accordingly, just like this fully automatic PA should. However, as soon as he updraded to v2.4.0, the PA no longer follows the band change in WSJT-X, whilst the radio changes band as usual. This has caused the radio to transmit on e.g. 20 m, whilst the PA is still set for 17 m, instantly triggering the warning and protection. In order to have the PA change bands to the band in WSJT-X and the radio, my friend needs to click the tune button in WSJT-X and thereby give the PA a signal that it needs to change bands ot the same as WSJT-X and the radio. Previously, this PA band change was Fully Automatic (after all that is what the FA stands for), now it is only semi-automatic. I can confirm that the WSJT-X 2.4.0 + IC-7600 + Expert 1K-FA combination works just perfect in another station I use from time to time.

My friend is certain the no setting has been changed in WSJT-X, the IC-7600 and the Expert 1K-FA, and no other software updates have been made that can be related to loss of CAT control or to the PA no longer polling the radio for band changes, or the radio sending band data to the PA. The baud rates in the IC-7600 and the PA are identical (9600 baud), the PA is set for Icom, and generally everything is as before v2.4.0

I understand that one of the reasons that it took a while to complete the 2.4.0 GA version, was the need to update Hamlib. Could an error somehow have sneaked into the Hamlib update, or has there been any change in WSJT-X that may have influenced on the loss of CAT control or polling/broadcasting?

We have scratched our heads, but no solution has been forthcoming, so suggestions for getting the PA back from semi-automatic to fully automatic are welcome.

73, Frode LA6VQ


Bill Somerville
 

On 08/06/2021 23:21, Frode Igland wrote:
A friend of mine is running an Icom IC-7600 and an SPE EXpert 1K-FA amplifier. He doesn't use the PA for WSJT-X, but all his antennas are connected to the PA, so he needs to have the PA powered. Prior to v2.4.0, the CAT control has worked smoothly. As soon as he changed bands in WSJT-X, the radio and the PA changed band accordingly, just like this fully automatic PA should. However, as soon as he updraded to v2.4.0, the PA no longer follows the band change in WSJT-X, whilst the radio changes band as usual. This has caused the radio to transmit on e.g. 20 m, whilst the PA is still set for 17 m, instantly triggering the warning and protection. In order to have the PA change bands to the band in WSJT-X and the radio, my friend needs to click the tune button in WSJT-X and thereby give the PA a signal that it needs to change bands ot the same as WSJT-X and the radio. Previously, this PA band change was Fully Automatic (after all that is what the FA stands for), now it is only semi-automatic. I can confirm that the WSJT-X 2.4.0 + IC-7600 + Expert 1K-FA combination works just perfect in another station I use from time to time.

My friend is certain the no setting has been changed in WSJT-X, the IC-7600 and the Expert 1K-FA, and no other software updates have been made that can be related to loss of CAT control or to the PA no longer polling the radio for band changes, or the radio sending band data to the PA. The baud rates in the IC-7600 and the PA are identical (9600 baud), the PA is set for Icom, and generally everything is as before v2.4.0

I understand that one of the reasons that it took a while to complete the 2.4.0 GA version, was the need to update Hamlib. Could an error somehow have sneaked into the Hamlib update, or has there been any change in WSJT-X that may have influenced on the loss of CAT control or polling/broadcasting?

We have scratched our heads, but no solution has been forthcoming, so suggestions for getting the PA back from semi-automatic to fully automatic are welcome.

73, Frode LA6VQ
Hi Frode,

there seems to be a common thread with both WSJT-X v2.4.0 and WSJT-X v2.5.0 RC1 (which use the same Hamlib version) in that when using "Settings->Radio->Split Operating->RIg" on some rigs no longer sets the Tx VFO after a band change. Please try "Settings->Radio->Split Operating->Fake It" for now and see if that resolves the issue please?

73
Bill
G4WJS.


Frode Igland
 

Bill, thanks for the proposal to try "Fake it". My friend tells me that is what he has used for a long time. I have now asked him to try "Rig" and "None" and will report back when I hear from him. 

73, Frode LA6VQ 


Frode Igland
 

Bill,
Responding to your reply in digest #1862, my friend has now reported on his "Split Operation" settings in WSJT-X 2.4.0 GA. He has used "Fake it" for years with no problems, and used he same when he upgraded to v2.4.0 GA and the PA immediately stopped following WSJT-X and IC-7600 band changes. He has now tried with both "Rig" and "None", and there is no difference. The PA still does not follow the band changes unless it gets a "Tune" signal.

As mentioned earlier, I have used v2.4.0 GA on the exact same setup, an IC-7600 and an SPE Expert 1K-FA PA without any problems with band changes, so this is works for some.

73, Frode LA6VQ


Bengt SM6MUY
 

I have exactly the same problem. Suddenly no CAT commands to the PA (SPE Expert) for correct frequency when changing band in WSJT-X. When I adjust the RIG VFO, no problem. I have not changed anything more then upgraded WSJT-x. Will try to test an older version...

73/Bengt, SM6MUY


Bengt SM6MUY
 

Did a test with an old version v2.0.1, yes old. CAT works perfectly to my Rig and PA ! When I change band in WSJT-x the band is also changed on the Rig and PA !

73/Bengt, SM6MUY


neil_zampella
 

You do realize that Hamlib has been changed and upgraded since v2.0.1 was released in 2019, right?  

Also, you haven't said anything about what OS, rig, or interface you're using.

Neil, KN3ILZ


On 8/19/2021 3:06 PM, Bengt SM6MUY via groups.io wrote:
Did a test with an old version v2.0.1, yes old. CAT works perfectly to my Rig and PA ! When I change band in WSJT-x the band is also changed on the Rig and PA !

73/Bengt, SM6MUY



Michael Black
 

Check CI-V Transceive and ensure it's on before and after you start WSJT-X 2.4.0
Sounds like it is getting either turned off by 2.4.0 or turned on by 2.0.1

Mike W9MDB



On Thursday, August 19, 2021, 03:06:36 PM CDT, Bengt SM6MUY via groups.io <muy@...> wrote:


Did a test with an old version v2.0.1, yes old. CAT works perfectly to my Rig and PA ! When I change band in WSJT-x the band is also changed on the Rig and PA !

73/Bengt, SM6MUY




Bengt SM6MUY
 

Hi

Yes, I had that on another PC. But this worked fine until 2.4 was released.

Win 10, IC-7300, SPE Expert 1.3k. USB interface from PC to rig. Normal CI-V interface to PA (from rig).

73/Bengt


On 2021-08-20 04:14, neil_zampella wrote:

You do realize that Hamlib has been changed and upgraded since v2.0.1 was released in 2019, right?  

Also, you haven't said anything about what OS, rig, or interface you're using.

Neil, KN3ILZ


On 8/19/2021 3:06 PM, Bengt SM6MUY via groups.io wrote:
Did a test with an old version v2.0.1, yes old. CAT works perfectly to my Rig and PA ! When I change band in WSJT-x the band is also changed on the Rig and PA !

73/Bengt, SM6MUY




Bengt SM6MUY
 

Hi

Yes Transceive is on. As I said, Cat works fine between PC and rig, but the PA does not shift band when I change band in WSJT-x, only the rig change. This worked before version 2.4 where both units nicely moved to the selected band...

73/Bengt

On 2021-08-20 06:35, Michael Black via groups.io wrote:
Check CI-V Transceive and ensure it's on before and after you start WSJT-X 2.4.0
Sounds like it is getting either turned off by 2.4.0 or turned on by 2.0.1

Mike W9MDB



On Thursday, August 19, 2021, 03:06:36 PM CDT, Bengt SM6MUY via groups.io <muy@...> wrote:


Did a test with an old version v2.0.1, yes old. CAT works perfectly to my Rig and PA ! When I change band in WSJT-x the band is also changed on the Rig and PA !

73/Bengt, SM6MUY







Allan Saul
 

I can confirm similar behavior with my Icom IC-7600 and Expert 1.5K-FA.
On version 2.4.0 - no issues.
One version 2.5.0 rc 5 (latest) it does not. You can change bands with WSJT-X and the radio follows, but the Expert doesn't change bands. To action that one need to turn the VFO on the radio a bit (ie send out QRG data). In the past that was not necessary.
Another interesting test is to put the radio into some odd ball frequency and then start WSJT-X. When it comes up it recognized the incorrect QRG (its in red) so obviously its reading the radio QRG.

For the developers : I think what is happening is that in the past the rig was commanded to reply with the QRG once it it was set and the Expert was listening for this output from the RIG, not WSJT-X. Now thats is no longer happening and could be a generic behavior across many Icom rigs now with the updated hamlib files.

73 de Allan ZS1LS


Bill Somerville
 

On 20/08/2021 10:59, Allan Saul wrote:
I can confirm similar behavior with my Icom IC-7600 and Expert 1.5K-FA.
On version 2.4.0 - no issues.
One version 2.5.0 rc 5 (latest) it does not. You can change bands with WSJT-X and the radio follows, but the Expert doesn't change bands. To action that one need to turn the VFO on the radio a bit (ie send out QRG data). In the past that was not necessary.
Another interesting test is to put the radio into some odd ball frequency and then start WSJT-X. When it comes up it recognized the incorrect QRG (its in red) so obviously its reading the radio QRG.

For the developers : I think what is happening is that in the past the rig was commanded to reply with the QRG once it it was set and the Expert was listening for this output from the RIG, not WSJT-X. Now thats is no longer happening and could be a generic behavior across many Icom rigs now with the updated hamlib files.

73 de Allan ZS1LS
Hi Allan,

I'm not sure what you and others with similar issues expect the WSJT-X developers to do. We make no statements on CAT control of ancillary devices that might be connected to your rig. If WSJT-X is correctly setting the rig frequency, and optionally the mode, and WSJT-X is able to read the rig frequency, which it does each polling interval, then CAT control is working as designed. Perhaps you need to contact the support team for your PA and ask how this might be happening.

You might also try a different "Settings->Radio->Split Operating" option as the Tx VFO being used might have some bearing.

73
Bill
G4WJS.


Michael Black
 

How do you have the amp hooked up to the rig?  The 7600 has a separate CI-V port that I would like to think would be behaving correctly.

I am planning on using the transceive data in the future and there was a change to flush any response to a command as a first step but that would be on the USB port and not the CI-V port.

Mike W9MDB




On Friday, August 20, 2021, 07:42:41 AM CDT, Allan Saul <allan@...> wrote:


I can confirm similar behavior with my Icom IC-7600 and Expert 1.5K-FA.
On version 2.4.0 - no issues.
One version 2.5.0 rc 5 (latest) it does not. You can change bands with WSJT-X and the radio follows, but the Expert doesn't change bands. To action that one need to turn the VFO on the radio a bit (ie send out QRG data). In the past that was not necessary.
Another interesting test is to put the radio into some odd ball frequency and then start WSJT-X. When it comes up it recognized the incorrect QRG (its in red) so obviously its reading the radio QRG.

For the developers : I think what is happening is that in the past the rig was commanded to reply with the QRG once it it was set and the Expert was listening for this output from the RIG, not WSJT-X. Now thats is no longer happening and could be a generic behavior across many Icom rigs now with the updated hamlib files.

73 de Allan ZS1LS




Bengt SM6MUY
 

Hi

I have not changed the PA firmware. I have not changed the rig firmware. I have updated WSJT-x. If the "feature" in WSJT-x with changing the rig frequency and the PA frequency at the same time wasn't intended it was probably a bug which is now fixed. In hamlib or WSJT-x. I don't have the insight into the code. If it was a "bug", it was a good bug. And it have always been there. It was convenient to switch band from WSJT-x but now it's not. I have now programmed my rig and do the change from that one instead.

73/Bengt, SM6MUY


On 2021-08-20 14:47, Bill Somerville wrote:
On 20/08/2021 10:59, Allan Saul wrote:
I can confirm similar behavior with my Icom IC-7600 and Expert 1.5K-FA.
On version 2.4.0 - no issues.
One version 2.5.0 rc 5 (latest) it does not. You can change bands with WSJT-X and the radio follows, but the Expert doesn't change bands. To action that one need to turn the VFO on the radio a bit (ie send out QRG data). In the past that was not necessary.
Another interesting test is to put the radio into some odd ball frequency and then start WSJT-X. When it comes up it recognized the incorrect QRG (its in red) so obviously its reading the radio QRG.

For the developers : I think what is happening is that in the past the rig was commanded to reply with the QRG once it it was set and the Expert was listening for this output from the RIG, not WSJT-X. Now thats is no longer happening and could be a generic behavior across many Icom rigs now with the updated hamlib files.

73 de Allan ZS1LS

Hi Allan,

I'm not sure what you and others with similar issues expect the WSJT-X developers to do. We make no statements on CAT control of ancillary devices that might be connected to your rig. If WSJT-X is correctly setting the rig frequency, and optionally the mode, and WSJT-X is able to read the rig frequency, which it does each polling interval, then CAT control is working as designed. Perhaps you need to contact the support team for your PA and ask how this might be happening.

You might also try a different "Settings->Radio->Split Operating" option as the Tx VFO being used might have some bearing.

73
Bill
G4WJS.





Michael Black
 

Please tell us how your USB and CAT ports are set up.

Mike W9DMB




On Friday, August 20, 2021, 11:50:12 AM CDT, Bengt SM6MUY via groups.io <muy@...> wrote:


Hi

I have not changed the PA firmware. I have not changed the rig firmware. I have updated WSJT-x. If the "feature" in WSJT-x with changing the rig frequency and the PA frequency at the same time wasn't intended it was probably a bug which is now fixed. In hamlib or WSJT-x. I don't have the insight into the code. If it was a "bug", it was a good bug. And it have always been there. It was convenient to switch band from WSJT-x but now it's not. I have now programmed my rig and do the change from that one instead.

73/Bengt, SM6MUY


On 2021-08-20 14:47, Bill Somerville wrote:
On 20/08/2021 10:59, Allan Saul wrote:
I can confirm similar behavior with my Icom IC-7600 and Expert 1.5K-FA.
On version 2.4.0 - no issues.
One version 2.5.0 rc 5 (latest) it does not. You can change bands with WSJT-X and the radio follows, but the Expert doesn't change bands. To action that one need to turn the VFO on the radio a bit (ie send out QRG data). In the past that was not necessary.
Another interesting test is to put the radio into some odd ball frequency and then start WSJT-X. When it comes up it recognized the incorrect QRG (its in red) so obviously its reading the radio QRG.

For the developers : I think what is happening is that in the past the rig was commanded to reply with the QRG once it it was set and the Expert was listening for this output from the RIG, not WSJT-X. Now thats is no longer happening and could be a generic behavior across many Icom rigs now with the updated hamlib files.

73 de Allan ZS1LS

Hi Allan,

I'm not sure what you and others with similar issues expect the WSJT-X developers to do. We make no statements on CAT control of ancillary devices that might be connected to your rig. If WSJT-X is correctly setting the rig frequency, and optionally the mode, and WSJT-X is able to read the rig frequency, which it does each polling interval, then CAT control is working as designed. Perhaps you need to contact the support team for your PA and ask how this might be happening.

You might also try a different "Settings->Radio->Split Operating" option as the Tx VFO being used might have some bearing.

73
Bill
G4WJS.



    




Michael Black
 

I should add the amp should be on the remote CI-V port on the rig.

Mike W9MDB




On Friday, August 20, 2021, 11:50:12 AM CDT, Bengt SM6MUY via groups.io <muy@...> wrote:


Hi

I have not changed the PA firmware. I have not changed the rig firmware. I have updated WSJT-x. If the "feature" in WSJT-x with changing the rig frequency and the PA frequency at the same time wasn't intended it was probably a bug which is now fixed. In hamlib or WSJT-x. I don't have the insight into the code. If it was a "bug", it was a good bug. And it have always been there. It was convenient to switch band from WSJT-x but now it's not. I have now programmed my rig and do the change from that one instead.

73/Bengt, SM6MUY


On 2021-08-20 14:47, Bill Somerville wrote:
On 20/08/2021 10:59, Allan Saul wrote:
I can confirm similar behavior with my Icom IC-7600 and Expert 1.5K-FA.
On version 2.4.0 - no issues.
One version 2.5.0 rc 5 (latest) it does not. You can change bands with WSJT-X and the radio follows, but the Expert doesn't change bands. To action that one need to turn the VFO on the radio a bit (ie send out QRG data). In the past that was not necessary.
Another interesting test is to put the radio into some odd ball frequency and then start WSJT-X. When it comes up it recognized the incorrect QRG (its in red) so obviously its reading the radio QRG.

For the developers : I think what is happening is that in the past the rig was commanded to reply with the QRG once it it was set and the Expert was listening for this output from the RIG, not WSJT-X. Now thats is no longer happening and could be a generic behavior across many Icom rigs now with the updated hamlib files.

73 de Allan ZS1LS

Hi Allan,

I'm not sure what you and others with similar issues expect the WSJT-X developers to do. We make no statements on CAT control of ancillary devices that might be connected to your rig. If WSJT-X is correctly setting the rig frequency, and optionally the mode, and WSJT-X is able to read the rig frequency, which it does each polling interval, then CAT control is working as designed. Perhaps you need to contact the support team for your PA and ask how this might be happening.

You might also try a different "Settings->Radio->Split Operating" option as the Tx VFO being used might have some bearing.

73
Bill
G4WJS.



    




Bengt SM6MUY
 

In WSJT-x below. USB connection between PC and rig. In the rig , almost no settings, just default. Yes CI-V "Transceive ON". Don't know if it's needed for WSJT but I think for the PA. The PA (SPE Expert) is connected via the standard CI-V connector (3.5 mm).

73/Bengt, SM6MUY


On 2021-08-20 18:56, Michael Black via groups.io wrote:
I should add the amp should be on the remote CI-V port on the rig.

Mike W9MDB




On Friday, August 20, 2021, 11:50:12 AM CDT, Bengt SM6MUY via groups.io <muy@...> wrote:


Hi

I have not changed the PA firmware. I have not changed the rig firmware. I have updated WSJT-x. If the "feature" in WSJT-x with changing the rig frequency and the PA frequency at the same time wasn't intended it was probably a bug which is now fixed. In hamlib or WSJT-x. I don't have the insight into the code. If it was a "bug", it was a good bug. And it have always been there. It was convenient to switch band from WSJT-x but now it's not. I have now programmed my rig and do the change from that one instead.

73/Bengt, SM6MUY


On 2021-08-20 14:47, Bill Somerville wrote:
On 20/08/2021 10:59, Allan Saul wrote:
I can confirm similar behavior with my Icom IC-7600 and Expert 1.5K-FA.
On version 2.4.0 - no issues.
One version 2.5.0 rc 5 (latest) it does not. You can change bands with WSJT-X and the radio follows, but the Expert doesn't change bands. To action that one need to turn the VFO on the radio a bit (ie send out QRG data). In the past that was not necessary.
Another interesting test is to put the radio into some odd ball frequency and then start WSJT-X. When it comes up it recognized the incorrect QRG (its in red) so obviously its reading the radio QRG.

For the developers : I think what is happening is that in the past the rig was commanded to reply with the QRG once it it was set and the Expert was listening for this output from the RIG, not WSJT-X. Now thats is no longer happening and could be a generic behavior across many Icom rigs now with the updated hamlib files.

73 de Allan ZS1LS

Hi Allan,

I'm not sure what you and others with similar issues expect the WSJT-X developers to do. We make no statements on CAT control of ancillary devices that might be connected to your rig. If WSJT-X is correctly setting the rig frequency, and optionally the mode, and WSJT-X is able to read the rig frequency, which it does each polling interval, then CAT control is working as designed. Perhaps you need to contact the support team for your PA and ask how this might be happening.

You might also try a different "Settings->Radio->Split Operating" option as the Tx VFO being used might have some bearing.

73
Bill
G4WJS.









Allan Saul
 

My setup is exactly as per Bengt. USB to IC-7600 and C-IV to the Expert amplifier.
No matter of changes in Radio setup make a difference. 2.4.0 it works, now it doesnt.
Its easy to demonstrate just by loading the older WSJT-X code and flipping between the two.
Was it a feature or a bug - who knows - but the behavior is different - that is all we are saying.

Anyway I did some fiddling and I found a setting on the Icom IC-7600 (I am using revision 2.,00
firmware). Its under SET >> OTHERS >> CI-V Output (for ANT) and mine was OFF.
I changed this to ON and now the system is working again as before. 

@Bengt please test and verify.

73 de Allan ZS1LS


Frode Igland
 

I guess I was the one starting this thread in early June. I noticed that SM6MUY Bengt's WSJT-X Radio tab was set up for an IC-7300, not an IC-7600.

Allan ZS1LS propose that SET - OTHERS - CI-V Output (for ANT) should be set to ON. This may be something from the IC-7300 menu, but there is no such menu in th IC-7600. I believe that this must correspond to the SET - OTHERS - CI-V TRANSCEIVEin the IC-7600. However, Bill G4WJS has mentioned a number of times that the ICOM radio's SET - OTHERS - CI-V TRANSCEIVE should be set to OFF to avoid that WSJT-X and CI-V compete about the CAT control of the radio, a competition that may yield uncertain or unstable results. However, I don't know if this setting has anything to do with the polling function of the Expert 1K-FA, possibly causing it to not update the band/frequency once the band/frequency is changed in WSJT-X and the radio.

73, Frode LA6VQ 


Bill Somerville
 

On 21/08/2021 17:16, Frode Igland wrote:
I guess I was the one starting this thread in early June. I noticed that SM6MUY Bengt's WSJT-X Radio tab was set up for an IC-7300, not an IC-7600.

Allan ZS1LS propose that SET - OTHERS - CI-V Output (for ANT) should be set to ON. This may be something from the IC-7300 menu, but there is no such menu in th IC-7600. I believe that this must correspond to the SET - OTHERS - CI-V TRANSCEIVEin the IC-7600. However, Bill G4WJS has mentioned a number of times that the ICOM radio's SET - OTHERS - CI-V TRANSCEIVE should be set to OFF to avoid that WSJT-X and CI-V compete about the CAT control of the radio, a competition that may yield uncertain or unstable results. However, I don't know if this setting has anything to do with the polling function of the Expert 1K-FA, possibly causing it to not update the band/frequency once the band/frequency is changed in WSJT-X and the radio.

73, Frode LA6VQ
Hi Frode,

the Icom IC-7600 does not have the facility to split the REMOTE socket CI-V bus from the CI-V traffic carried over the USB connection, therefore the REMOTE CI-V traffic simply mirrors the traffic carried over the USB connection, and vice versa. With the newer Icom USB connected rigs the REMOTE CI-V bus can be configured to send independent status reports to allow another device to track the transceiver frequency and mode.

73
Bill
G4WJS.