locked Hold Tx Freq is not selected -- Re: [WSJTX] #IssueReport


Larry Banks
 

Hi Geze,
 
You should be using “Hold TX Freq.”   Then you won’t be in the QRM from all the others calling your first contact, and they won’t be on that frequency when they call you.  This is the recommended usage.

73 -- Larry -- W1DYJ

 
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2021 10:16
Subject: [WSJTX] #BugReport
 
Setting of TX-frequency if "Hold Tx Freq" is not selected
If I call CQ-calling stations, the TX-frequency jumps to the station I call. As far it`s OK.
It can happen, that another station call me at the end of the QSO on another frequency.
I click on the station, WSJT-X sends the answer on the current frequency making QRM for
the previous station.  In such cases the TX-frequency should jump to the calling station.
In JTDX it is works so and it avoids making QRM unintentionally.
73,
Geza






Geza Szabados-Hann
 

Hi Larry,

thanks for your reply.  I am partly agreed, but ther are also arguments against using split-TX frequency in S&P mode.
The recommended usage could be could be useful for calling rare stations. You will never get them on thier own frequency.
90% of QSOs can be done on the frequency of the calling stations.
You can be sure, that nobody starts CQ on a frequency which is not free from the location he works.
You can never be sure (at least on the upper bands) that a frequency, which is free at your location, also free at the location of the other station.

Best 73,
Geza DG5LP


Jim Shorney
 

On Mon, 08 Feb 2021 13:30:42 -0800
"Geza Szabados-Hann" <dg5lp@...> wrote:

90% of QSOs can be done on the frequency of the calling stations.
And 100% of those callers will face the problem of orchestrating a quickie QSY if called by another station.

You can be sure, that nobody starts CQ on a frequency which is not free from the location he works.
On a crowded band often you will not find a completely clear spot and the best that you can do is pick an even or odd slot that is free. That is acceptable. This is time division multiplexing and not all that different than operating a SSB or CW split pileup. Developers who are way smarter than I am by leaps and bounds have put a lot of thought into creating a system to allow lots of ops to make contacts in a small sliver of the band. I think they did a pretty good job.

You can never be sure (at least on the upper bands) that a frequency, which is free at your location, also free at the location of the other station.
Such is the way of things in whatever mode you use. You can't live your ham career fretting over QRMing someone that you can't hear.

73

-Jim
NU0C


Geza Szabados-Hann
 

On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 06:48 PM, Jim Shorney wrote:
.And 100% of those callers will face the problem of orchestrating a quickie QSY if called by another station.
Exactly this is, what could be avoided if the TX-frequency would jump to the caller.
If I want work in split mode, I select "Hold Tx Freq". If not, I deselect it. Deselecting means "keep Tx and Rx-frequency  together". The  current behavior is inconsistent and contradicts the setting.  If I click on a station CQ-calling, the Tx-frequency jumps to the station, if I click on a station calling me, it does not jump.
I am software engineer and I have large respect for the developer team, I can really appreciate their good job.

73
Geza, DG5LP


Larry Banks
 

Hi Geza,
 
If a station calls you, you know they are hearing you.  Why would you want to then move your TX frequency to their frequency and possibly have the caller loose you?

73 -- Larry -- W1DYJ

 
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2021 6:11
Subject: Re: Hold Tx Freq is not selected -- Re: [WSJTX] #BugReport
 
On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 06:48 PM, Jim Shorney wrote:
.And 100% of those callers will face the problem of orchestrating a quickie QSY if called by another station.
Exactly this is, what could be avoided if the TX-frequency would jump to the caller.
If I want work in split mode, I select "Hold Tx Freq". If not, I deselect it. Deselecting means "keep Tx and Rx-frequency  together". The  current behavior is inconsistent and contradicts the setting  If I click on a station CQ-calling, the Tx-frequency jumps to the station, if I click on a station calling me, it does not jump.
I am software engineer and I have large respect for the developer team, I can really appreciate their good job.

73
Geza, DG5LP






Geza Szabados-Hann
 

Hi Larry,

If I work with "Hold Tx Freq" deselected, my Tx frequency is on the frequency of the station I worked before.
If I return to the caller, I "overtake" the receiving frequency of my prevous QSO-partner. What is better from "ham-spirit" point of view?  To risk receiving "PSE QSY" or loose a caller?
I suggest to review this "implicit Hold-Tx" function. JTDX team did it.

73,
Geza DG5LP


Bobby Chandler
 

Geza,

I reported this about a month ago and got all sorts of answers and advice, but none answered the question.

Good luck,

Bobby/N4AU

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n4au@...
n4au@...


neil_zampella <neilz@...>
 

The clone team does what they want to do ... its not the way the system was designed, nor should it be.

Neil, KN3ILZ

On 2/9/2021 8:01 AM, Geza Szabados-Hann wrote:

Hi Larry,

If I work with "Hold Tx Freq" deselected, my Tx frequency is on the frequency of the station I worked before.
If I return to the caller, I "overtake" the receiving frequency of my prevous QSO-partner. What is better from "ham-spirit" point of view?  To risk receiving "PSE QSY" or loose a caller?
I suggest to review this "implicit Hold-Tx" function. JTDX team did it.

73,
Geza DG5LP



Jim Shorney
 

The point is that if you run QSO split you will not have to move.

Which is what the devs intended.

73

-Jim
NU0C


On Tue, 09 Feb 2021 03:11:19 -0800
"Geza Szabados-Hann" <dg5lp@...> wrote:

On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 06:48 PM, Jim Shorney wrote:


. And 100% of those callers will face the problem of orchestrating a
quickie QSY if called by another station.
Exactly this is, what could be avoided if the TX-frequency would jump to the caller.
If I want work in split mode, I select "Hold Tx Freq". If not, I deselect it. Deselecting means "keep Tx and Rx-frequency  together". The  current behavior is inconsistent and contradicts the setting.  If I click on a station CQ-calling, the Tx-frequency jumps to the station, if I click on a station calling me, it does not jump.
I am software engineer and I have large respect for the developer team, I can really appreciate their good job.

73
Geza, DG5LP


Jim Shorney
 

Not an issue if you pick a clear slot to hold your TX and stay there.

73

-Jim
NU0C

On Tue, 09 Feb 2021 06:01:31 -0800
"Geza Szabados-Hann" <dg5lp@...> wrote:

Hi Larry,

If I work with "Hold Tx Freq" deselected, my Tx frequency is on the frequency of the station I worked before.
If I return to the caller, I "overtake" the receiving frequency of my prevous QSO-partner. What is better from "ham-spirit" point of view?  To risk receiving "PSE QSY" or loose a caller?
I suggest to review this "implicit Hold-Tx" function. JTDX team did it.

73,
Geza DG5LP