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I notice that when a lot of people call me in FT8 mode, they skip the first line with their callsign and grid square information and just call with their callsign and my report.
I make a point of not responding to those callers.
In my view, the first line is there for a reason and so it should be included in any QSO.
Also, I happen to collect grid squares and when the calling station does not give that information, I find it a real nuisance to look them up, in mid QSO, on qrz.com, so that I can include their grid square information in the logging field when it pops up.
Thirdly, I believe it is part of the "etiquette" of the mode and it should always be included.
I know that a very large proportion of operators disagree with me but that's just the way I feel.
If you see my sound card calling and you want to work it, then please include your grid square and allow the QSO to go through the proper sequence. It's pretty simple.
73 and thanks, Alek. VK6APK
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Alek, Interestingly enough there are a number of DX, (to me), ops that work just the opposite... Makes it difficult to decide which way to go... I tend to use your method first, but if I see the DX, (again to me), op using the skip the first call method, I adapt... 73, and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) https://www.nk7z.netARRL Volunteer Examiner ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
On 12/10/20 6:08 PM, Alek Petkovic wrote: I notice that when a lot of people call me in FT8 mode, they skip the first line with their callsign and grid square information and just call with their callsign and my report.
I make a point of not responding to those callers.
In my view, the first line is there for a reason and so it should be included in any QSO.
Also, I happen to collect grid squares and when the calling station does not give that information, I find it a real nuisance to look them up, in mid QSO, on qrz.com, so that I can include their grid square information in the logging field when it pops up.
Thirdly, I believe it is part of the "etiquette" of the mode and it should always be included.
I know that a very large proportion of operators disagree with me but that's just the way I feel.
If you see my sound card calling and you want to work it, then please include your grid square and allow the QSO to go through the proper sequence. It's pretty simple.
73 and thanks, Alek. VK6APK
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Chris Zukowski
Also,
I noticed that also from time to time and usually work the station (usually DX). I never gave it much thought but I do see your side of it.
73,
Chris KN6EQQ
On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 18:09 Alek Petkovic < vk6apk@...> wrote: I notice that when a lot of people call me in FT8 mode, they skip the first line with their callsign and grid square information and just call with their callsign and my report.
I make a point of not responding to those callers.
In my view, the first line is there for a reason and so it should be included in any QSO.
Also, I happen to collect grid squares and when the calling station does not give that information, I find it a real nuisance to look them up, in mid QSO, on qrz.com, so that I can include their grid square information in the logging field when it pops up.
Thirdly, I believe it is part of the "etiquette" of the mode and it should always be included.
I know that a very large proportion of operators disagree with me but that's just the way I feel.
If you see my sound card calling and you want to work it, then please include your grid square and allow the QSO to go through the proper sequence. It's pretty simple.
73 and thanks, Alek. VK6APK
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Jim Shorney
If you look at section 7.4 "Standard Exchange" of the User Guide you will find: " Several options are available for circumstances where fast QSOs are desirable. Double-click the Tx1 control under Now or Next to toggle use of the Tx2 message rather than Tx1 to start a QSO. Similarly, double-click the Tx4 control to toggle between sending RRR and RR73 in that message. The RR73 message should be used only if you are reasonably confident that no repetitions will be required. " https://physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/k1jt/wsjtx-doc/wsjtx-main-2.2.2.html#_standard_exchange73 -Jim NU0C On Thu, 10 Dec 2020 18:40:43 -0800 "Chris Zukowski" <czukowski@...> wrote: Also,
I noticed that also from time to time and usually work the station (usually
DX). I never gave it much thought but I do see your side of it.
73,
Chris
KN6EQQ
On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 18:09 Alek Petkovic <vk6apk@...> wrote:
I notice that when a lot of people call me in FT8 mode, they skip the
first line with their callsign and grid square information and just call
with their callsign and my report.
I make a point of not responding to those callers.
In my view, the first line is there for a reason and so it should be
included in any QSO.
Also, I happen to collect grid squares and when the calling station does
not give that information, I find it a real nuisance to look them up, in
mid QSO, on qrz.com, so that I can include their grid square information
in the logging field when it pops up.
Thirdly, I believe it is part of the "etiquette" of the mode and it should
always be included.
I know that a very large proportion of operators disagree with me but
that's just the way I feel.
If you see my sound card calling and you want to work it, then please
include your grid square and allow the QSO to go through the proper
sequence. It's pretty simple.
73 and thanks, Alek. VK6APK
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Alek,
I fully agree with you. There must be a two way exchange of the minimum elements required for a legitimate contact. I too avoid folks that call me right off with only a signal report, not having sent their grid. If I have to look it up in QRZ! I feel that the contact does not satisfy the minimum requirements. That action is not radio,it's internet. The syntax of exchanges are very explicit and widely published. Why people are lazy in order to save a few seconds is beyond me. I suppose it is the way our society is going. They want what they want, and want it now! Instant gratification...
Stay safe, and Merry Christmas..
de Gary, K7EK
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On Thursday, December 10, 2020, 09:41:01 PM EST, Chris Zukowski <czukowski@...> wrote:
Also,
I noticed that also from time to time and usually work the station (usually DX). I never gave it much thought but I do see your side of it.
73,
Chris KN6EQQ
On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 18:09 Alek Petkovic < vk6apk@...> wrote: I notice that when a lot of people call me in FT8 mode, they skip the first line with their callsign and grid square information and just call with their callsign and my report.
I make a point of not responding to those callers.
In my view, the first line is there for a reason and so it should be included in any QSO.
Also, I happen to collect grid squares and when the calling station does not give that information, I find it a real nuisance to look them up, in mid QSO, on qrz.com, so that I can include their grid square information in the logging field when it pops up.
Thirdly, I believe it is part of the "etiquette" of the mode and it should always be included.
I know that a very large proportion of operators disagree with me but that's just the way I feel.
If you see my sound card calling and you want to work it, then please include your grid square and allow the QSO to go through the proper sequence. It's pretty simple.
73 and thanks, Alek. VK6APK
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Jim Shorney
An exchange of grid is no more of a requirement for a valid contact than an exchange of state or country. You have worked that grid whether you exchange it or not. The TX2 call method is in the user's guide as a means of speeding up the contact. Getting wound up over not receiving a grid square seems to be a bit of a first world problem. Do the leg work and don't deny someone else a contact that THEY may need when they are following the instructions in the manual. https://physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/k1jt/wsjtx-doc/wsjtx-main-2.2.2.html#_standard_exchange73 -Jim NU0C On Fri, 11 Dec 2020 03:56:21 +0000 (UTC) "Gary E. Kohtala via groups.io" <gary.k7ek@...> wrote: Alek,
I fully agree with you. There must be a two way exchange of the minimum elements requiredfor a legitimate contact. I too avoid folks that call me right off with only a signal report,not having sent their grid. If I have to look it up in QRZ! I feel that the contact doesnot satisfy the minimum requirements. That action is not radio,it's internet. The syntax of exchanges are very explicit and widely published. Why people are lazy in order to save a few seconds is beyond me. I suppose it is the way our society is going. They want what they want,and want it now! Instant gratification...
Stay safe, and Merry Christmas..
de Gary, K7EK
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On Thursday, December 10, 2020, 09:41:01 PM EST, Chris Zukowski <czukowski@...> wrote:
Also,
I noticed that also from time to time and usually work the station (usually DX). I never gave it much thought but I do see your side of it.
73,
Chris KN6EQQ
On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 18:09 Alek Petkovic <vk6apk@...> wrote:
I notice that when a lot of people call me in FT8 mode, they skip the first line with their callsign and grid square information and just call with their callsign and my report.
I make a point of not responding to those callers.
In my view, the first line is there for a reason and so it should be included in any QSO.
Also, I happen to collect grid squares and when the calling station does not give that information, I find it a real nuisance to look them up, in mid QSO, on qrz.com, so that I can include their grid square information in the logging field when it pops up.
Thirdly, I believe it is part of the "etiquette" of the mode and it should always be included.
I know that a very large proportion of operators disagree with me but that's just the way I feel.
If you see my sound card calling and you want to work it, then please include your grid square and allow the QSO to go through the proper sequence. It's pretty simple.
73 and thanks, Alek. VK6APK
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Skipping the first transmission is very convenient if there is a pile up and allows the station to work more contacts while the path is open. I usually call with my grid square once or twice and use Message #2 in subsequent calls. If you are not getting the grid square, you can always find it in LoTW.
A really bad habit by some stations is to call with R<report>. I do not normally respond to such call and I by mistake I do, the call is not logged. It is not a QSO, IMHO.
73 de va7qi, ....Erik.
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Martin G0HDB <marting0hdb@...>
Here's my take on this...
If I see someone, eg. VK6APK, calling CQ and WSJT-X's colour-coding shows that I've worked him before, perhaps on a different band, then I might call him using the Tx2 message rather than Tx1 because the other station will already know my grid square, from the previous QSO(s), so there's no need and little point in me calling him with Tx1 and therefore sending my grid again. However...
If I'm calling a station that I haven't worked before then I'll usually call using the Tx1 message and hence giving my grid square, although if I can see that the station I'm calling is often responding to callers with an R-10 type of report then I'll probably call using Tx2 in order to minimise the QSO duration.
I've observed that especially JA stations tend to reply to my CQs with their Tx2 message; if I decide I want to know their grid then I can usually find it in QRZ.com or on PSK-Reporter after the QSO has been completed.
As has already been stated, the exchange of grid square information isn't an essential part of a QSO so I don't get too agitated if I don't receive the other station's grid square during the QSO.
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Martin G0HDB
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Aha!
THAT explains it.
Before jumping to conclusions about how we might be lazy or over eager, consider the newbie/ignorant who just follow the guide and double click on the calling station.
I wondered why the calling station just stopped sending!
I'll learn from this and try to ensure that I send my grid.
Have a good christmas and look forward to working more of you!
73 John G0GCD
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On 11/12/2020 10:50, Martin G0HDB wrote: Here's my take on this...
If I see someone, eg. VK6APK, calling CQ and WSJT-X's colour-coding shows that I've worked him before, perhaps on a different band, then I might call him using the Tx2 message rather than Tx1 because the other station will already know my grid square, from the previous QSO(s), so there's no need and little point in me calling him with Tx1 and therefore sending my grid again. However...
If I'm calling a station that I haven't worked before then I'll usually call using the Tx1 message and hence giving my grid square, although if I can see that the station I'm calling is often responding to callers with an R-10 type of report then I'll probably call using Tx2 in order to minimise the QSO duration.
I've observed that especially JA stations tend to reply to my CQs with their Tx2 message; if I decide I want to know their grid then I can usually find it in QRZ.com or on PSK-Reporter after the QSO has been completed.
As has already been stated, the exchange of grid square information isn't an essential part of a QSO so I don't get too agitated if I don't receive the other station's grid square during the QSO.
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Martin G0HDB Martin As you know the suffix [/p, /a, etc] is optional in the UK licence so it's quite possible to move around and just use your "normal" call sign. It may be the same in other administrations. It's not very satisfactory skipping Tx1 with a UK call as there is an element of doubt that you have NOT relocated since a previous QSO. When I was "/a" for 10 days last year I changed the main address of my licence for the period to avoid the hassle of having to explain my location so a historical locator for my call just cannot be used. I found the number of stations replying with Tx2 during the ARRL Grid Chase infuriating. 73 Roger GW4HZA
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We see that some DX stations, operating from rare locations for a restricted time, ask stations calling with FT8, to specifically call using Tx2.
The reason is, to save time for each QSO, in order to let as many stations as possible, have a chance to work that rare station during the short operating time. This should be respected and acknowledged.
73 from Tom, LA4LN
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From: main@WSJTX.groups.io <main@WSJTX.groups.io> on behalf of Martin G0HDB <marting0hdb@...>
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2020 11:50:43 AM
To: main@WSJTX.groups.io <main@WSJTX.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [WSJTX] Etiquette
Here's my take on this...
If I see someone, eg. VK6APK, calling CQ and WSJT-X's colour-coding shows that I've worked him before, perhaps on a different band, then I might call him using the Tx2 message rather than Tx1 because the other station will already know my grid square, from
the previous QSO(s), so there's no need and little point in me calling him with Tx1 and therefore sending my grid again. However...
If I'm calling a station that I haven't worked before then I'll usually call using the Tx1 message and hence giving my grid square, although if I can see that the station I'm calling is often responding to callers with an R-10 type of report then I'll probably
call using Tx2 in order to minimise the QSO duration.
I've observed that especially JA stations tend to reply to my CQs with their Tx2 message; if I decide I want to know their grid then I can usually find it in QRZ.com or on PSK-Reporter after the QSO has been completed.
As has already been stated, the exchange of grid square information isn't an essential part of a QSO so I don't get too agitated if I don't receive the other station's grid square during the QSO.
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Martin G0HDB
-- Tom (LA4LN)
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I prefer to receive Tx1, as my logging software plots the contacts’ locations onto DxAtlas. If I don’t receive the grid, I plot it into the centre of the geographical area described by the call-sign. After an operating session, I’ll download from eQSL and LotW and those may update the gridsquare. If not then I’ll look it up on QRZ.com. Another bugbear with this is US States – My call-parsing algorithm (using DxAtlas’s database) has separate entries for individual states, so I tend to have to go to QRZ.com to get the state (or log it simply as W or say W4). If I don’t have a gridsquare, the centre of the geographic area could be considerable distant from where the station really is. This is made even worse now that US amateurs can keep their call when they move call areas or even DXCC entities (e.g. PR, AK or HI). 73 Phil GM3ZZA. Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Tom V. SegalstadSent: 11 December 2020 13:13 To: main@WSJTX.groups.ioSubject: Re: [WSJTX] Etiquette We see that some DX stations, operating from rare locations for a restricted time, ask stations calling with FT8, to specifically call using Tx2. The reason is, to save time for each QSO, in order to let as many stations as possible, have a chance to work that rare station during the short operating time. This should be respected and acknowledged. 
From: main@WSJTX.groups.io <main@WSJTX.groups.io> on behalf of Martin G0HDB <marting0hdb@...>
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2020 11:50:43 AM
To: main@WSJTX.groups.io <main@WSJTX.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [WSJTX] Etiquette Here's my take on this...
If I see someone, eg. VK6APK, calling CQ and WSJT-X's colour-coding shows that I've worked him before, perhaps on a different band, then I might call him using the Tx2 message rather than Tx1 because the other station will already know my grid square, from the previous QSO(s), so there's no need and little point in me calling him with Tx1 and therefore sending my grid again. However...
If I'm calling a station that I haven't worked before then I'll usually call using the Tx1 message and hence giving my grid square, although if I can see that the station I'm calling is often responding to callers with an R-10 type of report then I'll probably call using Tx2 in order to minimise the QSO duration.
I've observed that especially JA stations tend to reply to my CQs with their Tx2 message; if I decide I want to know their grid then I can usually find it in QRZ.com or on PSK-Reporter after the QSO has been completed.
As has already been stated, the exchange of grid square information isn't an essential part of a QSO so I don't get too agitated if I don't receive the other station's grid square during the QSO.
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Martin G0HDB
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Tom (LA4LN)
-- 73 Phil GM3ZZA
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Jim Shorney
More than once I have seen DX request on their QRZ page that ops only call with TX2. Makes sense, especially for higher demand locations that are not justified to use F/H. 73, -Jim NU0C On Fri, 11 Dec 2020 03:19:21 -0800 "John G0GCD" <john@...> wrote: Aha!
THAT explains it.
Before jumping to conclusions about how we might be lazy or over eager, consider the newbie/ignorant who just follow the guide and double click on the calling station.
I wondered why the calling station just stopped sending!
I'll learn from this and try to ensure that I send my grid.
Have a good christmas and look forward to working more of you!
73 John G0GCD
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How many "extra" seconds are required for a grid square ?
Don W4DNR
Quoting Jim Shorney <jshorney@...>:
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An exchange of grid is no more of a requirement for a valid contact
than an exchange of state or country. You have worked that grid
whether you exchange it or not. The TX2 call method is in the user's
guide as a means of speeding up the contact. Getting wound up over
not receiving a grid square seems to be a bit of a first world
problem. Do the leg work and don't deny someone else a contact that
THEY may need when they are following the instructions in the manual.
https://physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/k1jt/wsjtx-doc/wsjtx-main-2.2.2.html#_standard_exchange
73
-Jim
NU0C
On Fri, 11 Dec 2020 03:56:21 +0000 (UTC)
"Gary E. Kohtala via groups.io" <gary.k7ek@...> wrote:
Alek,
I fully agree with you. There must be a two way exchange of the
minimum elements requiredfor a legitimate contact. I too avoid
folks that call me right off with only a signal report,not having
sent their grid. If I have to look it up in QRZ! I feel that the
contact doesnot satisfy the minimum requirements. That action is
not radio,it's internet. The syntax of exchanges are very explicit
and widely published. Why people are lazy in order to save a
few seconds is beyond me. I suppose it is the way our society is
going. They want what they want,and want it now! Instant
gratification...
Stay safe, and Merry Christmas..
de Gary, K7EK
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On Thursday, December 10, 2020, 09:41:01 PM EST, Chris Zukowski
<czukowski@...> wrote:
Also,
I noticed that also from time to time and usually work the station
(usually DX). I never gave it much thought but I do see your side
of it.
73,
Chris KN6EQQ
On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 18:09 Alek Petkovic <vk6apk@...> wrote:
I notice that when a lot of people call me in FT8 mode, they skip
the first line with their callsign and grid square information and
just call with their callsign and my report.
I make a point of not responding to those callers.
In my view, the first line is there for a reason and so it should
be included in any QSO.
Also, I happen to collect grid squares and when the calling station
does not give that information, I find it a real nuisance to look
them up, in mid QSO, on qrz.com, so that I can include their grid
square information in the logging field when it pops up.
Thirdly, I believe it is part of the "etiquette" of the mode and it
should always be included.
I know that a very large proportion of operators disagree with me
but that's just the way I feel.
If you see my sound card calling and you want to work it, then
please include your grid square and allow the QSO to go through the
proper sequence. It's pretty simple.
73 and thanks, Alek. VK6APK
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Larry Banks
Thirty
73 -- Larry -- W1DYJ
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-----Original Message----- From: Don Roden Sent: Friday, December 11, 2020 12:16 To: main@wsjtx.groups.io Subject: Re: [WSJTX] Etiquette How many "extra" seconds are required for a grid square ? Don W4DNR Quoting Jim Shorney <jshorney@...>: An exchange of grid is no more of a requirement for a valid contact
than an exchange of state or country. You have worked that grid
whether you exchange it or not. The TX2 call method is in the user's
guide as a means of speeding up the contact. Getting wound up over
not receiving a grid square seems to be a bit of a first world
problem. Do the leg work and don't deny someone else a contact that
THEY may need when they are following the instructions in the manual.
https://physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/k1jt/wsjtx-doc/wsjtx-main-2.2.2.html#_standard_exchange
73
-Jim
NU0C
On Fri, 11 Dec 2020 03:56:21 +0000 (UTC)
"Gary E. Kohtala via groups.io" <gary.k7ek@...> wrote:
Alek,
I fully agree with you. There must be a two way exchange of the
minimum elements requiredfor a legitimate contact. I too avoid
folks that call me right off with only a signal report,not having
sent their grid. If I have to look it up in QRZ! I feel that the
contact doesnot satisfy the minimum requirements. That action is
not radio,it's internet. The syntax of exchanges are very explicit
and widely published. Why people are lazy in order to save a
few seconds is beyond me. I suppose it is the way our society is
going. They want what they want,and want it now! Instant
gratification...
Stay safe, and Merry Christmas..
de Gary, K7EK
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On Thursday, December 10, 2020, 09:41:01 PM EST, Chris Zukowski
<czukowski@...> wrote:
Also,
I noticed that also from time to time and usually work the station
(usually DX). I never gave it much thought but I do see your side
of it.
73,
Chris KN6EQQ
On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 18:09 Alek Petkovic <vk6apk@...> wrote:
I notice that when a lot of people call me in FT8 mode, they skip
the first line with their callsign and grid square information and
just call with their callsign and my report.
I make a point of not responding to those callers.
In my view, the first line is there for a reason and so it should
be included in any QSO.
Also, I happen to collect grid squares and when the calling station
does not give that information, I find it a real nuisance to look
them up, in mid QSO, on qrz.com, so that I can include their grid
square information in the logging field when it pops up.
Thirdly, I believe it is part of the "etiquette" of the mode and it
should always be included.
I know that a very large proportion of operators disagree with me
but that's just the way I feel.
If you see my sound card calling and you want to work it, then
please include your grid square and allow the QSO to go through the
proper sequence. It's pretty simple.
73 and thanks, Alek. VK6APK
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15 s
73, Reino OH3mA
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-----Original Message----- From: main@WSJTX.groups.io [mailto:main@WSJTX.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don Roden Sent: 11. joulukuuta 2020 19:17 To: main@wsjtx.groups.io Subject: Re: [WSJTX] Etiquette How many "extra" seconds are required for a grid square ? Don W4DNR Quoting Jim Shorney <jshorney@...>: An exchange of grid is no more of a requirement for a valid contact
than an exchange of state or country. You have worked that grid
whether you exchange it or not. The TX2 call method is in the user's
guide as a means of speeding up the contact. Getting wound up over not
receiving a grid square seems to be a bit of a first world problem. Do
the leg work and don't deny someone else a contact that THEY may need
when they are following the instructions in the manual.
https://physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/k1jt/wsjtx-doc/wsjtx-main-2.2.2.h
tml#_standard_exchange
73
-Jim
NU0C
On Fri, 11 Dec 2020 03:56:21 +0000 (UTC) "Gary E. Kohtala via
groups.io" <gary.k7ek@...> wrote:
Alek,
I fully agree with you. There must be a two way exchange of the
minimum elements requiredfor a legitimate contact. I too avoid folks
that call me right off with only a signal report,not having sent
their grid. If I have to look it up in QRZ! I feel that the contact
doesnot satisfy the minimum requirements. That action is not
radio,it's internet. The syntax of exchanges are very explicit and
widely published. Why people are lazy in order to save a few seconds
is beyond me. I suppose it is the way our society is going. They want
what they want,and want it now! Instant gratification...
Stay safe, and Merry Christmas..
de Gary, K7EK
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On Thursday, December 10, 2020, 09:41:01 PM EST, Chris Zukowski
<czukowski@...> wrote:
Also,
I noticed that also from time to time and usually work the station
(usually DX). I never gave it much thought but I do see your side of
it.
73,
Chris KN6EQQ
On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 18:09 Alek Petkovic <vk6apk@...> wrote:
I notice that when a lot of people call me in FT8 mode, they skip the
first line with their callsign and grid square information and just
call with their callsign and my report.
I make a point of not responding to those callers.
In my view, the first line is there for a reason and so it should be
included in any QSO.
Also, I happen to collect grid squares and when the calling station
does not give that information, I find it a real nuisance to look
them up, in mid QSO, on qrz.com, so that I can include their grid
square information in the logging field when it pops up.
Thirdly, I believe it is part of the "etiquette" of the mode and it
should always be included.
I know that a very large proportion of operators disagree with me but
that's just the way I feel.
If you see my sound card calling and you want to work it, then please
include your grid square and allow the QSO to go through the proper
sequence. It's pretty simple.
73 and thanks, Alek. VK6APK
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Jim Shorney
Say that you are a DX that did a run of 50 contacts. One cycle for the grid is 15 seconds on FT8. That's 750 seconds assuming each caller sent the grid square once. How many more contacts can you make in that 12.5 minutes? Not a big deal if you don't care about your Q rate but there are scenarios where it is desirable to maximize it. 73 -Jim NU0C On Fri, 11 Dec 2020 11:16:57 -0600 "Don Roden" <donroden@...> wrote: How many "extra" seconds are required for a grid square ?
Don W4DNR
Quoting Jim Shorney <jshorney@...>:
An exchange of grid is no more of a requirement for a valid contact
than an exchange of state or country. You have worked that grid
whether you exchange it or not. The TX2 call method is in the user's
guide as a means of speeding up the contact. Getting wound up over
not receiving a grid square seems to be a bit of a first world
problem. Do the leg work and don't deny someone else a contact that
THEY may need when they are following the instructions in the manual.
https://physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/k1jt/wsjtx-doc/wsjtx-main-2.2.2.html#_standard_exchange
73
-Jim
NU0C
On Fri, 11 Dec 2020 03:56:21 +0000 (UTC)
"Gary E. Kohtala via groups.io" <gary.k7ek@...> wrote:
Alek,
I fully agree with you. There must be a two way exchange of the
minimum elements requiredfor a legitimate contact. I too avoid
folks that call me right off with only a signal report,not having
sent their grid. If I have to look it up in QRZ! I feel that the
contact doesnot satisfy the minimum requirements. That action is
not radio,it's internet. The syntax of exchanges are very explicit
and widely published. Why people are lazy in order to save a
few seconds is beyond me. I suppose it is the way our society is
going. They want what they want,and want it now! Instant
gratification...
Stay safe, and Merry Christmas..
de Gary, K7EK
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On Thursday, December 10, 2020, 09:41:01 PM EST, Chris Zukowski
<czukowski@...> wrote:
Also,
I noticed that also from time to time and usually work the station
(usually DX). I never gave it much thought but I do see your side
of it.
73,
Chris KN6EQQ
On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 18:09 Alek Petkovic <vk6apk@...> wrote:
I notice that when a lot of people call me in FT8 mode, they skip
the first line with their callsign and grid square information and
just call with their callsign and my report.
I make a point of not responding to those callers.
In my view, the first line is there for a reason and so it should
be included in any QSO.
Also, I happen to collect grid squares and when the calling station
does not give that information, I find it a real nuisance to look
them up, in mid QSO, on qrz.com, so that I can include their grid
square information in the logging field when it pops up.
Thirdly, I believe it is part of the "etiquette" of the mode and it
should always be included.
I know that a very large proportion of operators disagree with me
but that's just the way I feel.
If you see my sound card calling and you want to work it, then
please include your grid square and allow the QSO to go through the
proper sequence. It's pretty simple.
73 and thanks, Alek. VK6APK
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Jim Shepherd
Looking up the grid square does not work when the station is using a remote location from his published grid in QRZ...
Jim W6US DM09, DN10, and a bunch of other ones when on the road...
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Sorry, thirty additional seconds. In normal qsos I don't mind it. As I am not a DX chaser, that's it. 73 Phil GM3ZZA
On 11 Dec 2020 20:11, Philip Rose <GM3ZZA@...> wrote: Fifteen. 73 Phil GM3ZZA On 11 Dec 2020 17:16, Don Roden <donroden@...> wrote: How many "extra" seconds are required for a grid square ?
Don W4DNR
Quoting Jim Shorney <jshorney@...>:
> An exchange of grid is no more of a requirement for a valid contact
> than an exchange of state or country. You have worked that grid
> whether you exchange it or not. The TX2 call method is in the user's
> guide as a means of speeding up the contact. Getting wound up over
> not receiving a grid square seems to be a bit of a first world
> problem. Do the leg work and don't deny someone else a contact that
> THEY may need when they are following the instructions in the manual.
>
> https://physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/k1jt/wsjtx-doc/wsjtx-main-2.2.2.html#_standard_exchange
>
> 73
>
> -Jim
> NU0C
>
> On Fri, 11 Dec 2020 03:56:21 +0000 (UTC)
> "Gary E. Kohtala via groups.io" <gary.k7ek@...> wrote:
>
>> Alek,
>> I fully agree with you. There must be a two way exchange of the
>> minimum elements requiredfor a legitimate contact. I too avoid
>> folks that call me right off with only a signal report,not having
>> sent their grid. If I have to look it up in QRZ! I feel that the
>> contact doesnot satisfy the minimum requirements. That action is
>> not radio,it's internet. The syntax of exchanges are very explicit
>> and widely published. Why people are lazy in order to save a
>> few seconds is beyond me. I suppose it is the way our society is
>> going. They want what they want,and want it now! Instant
>> gratification...
>> Stay safe, and Merry Christmas..
>> de Gary, K7EK
>>
>>
>> ---
>> On Thursday, December 10, 2020, 09:41:01 PM EST, Chris Zukowski
>> <czukowski@...> wrote:
>>
>> Also,
>> I noticed that also from time to time and usually work the station
>> (usually DX). I never gave it much thought but I do see your side
>> of it.
>> 73,
>> Chris KN6EQQ
>> On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 18:09 Alek Petkovic <vk6apk@...> wrote:
>>
>> I notice that when a lot of people call me in FT8 mode, they skip
>> the first line with their callsign and grid square information and
>> just call with their callsign and my report.
>>
>> I make a point of not responding to those callers.
>>
>> In my view, the first line is there for a reason and so it should
>> be included in any QSO.
>>
>> Also, I happen to collect grid squares and when the calling station
>> does not give that information, I find it a real nuisance to look
>> them up, in mid QSO, on qrz.com, so that I can include their grid
>> square information in the logging field when it pops up.
>>
>> Thirdly, I believe it is part of the "etiquette" of the mode and it
>> should always be included.
>>
>> I know that a very large proportion of operators disagree with me
>> but that's just the way I feel.
>>
>> If you see my sound card calling and you want to work it, then
>> please include your grid square and allow the QSO to go through the
>> proper sequence. It's pretty simple.
>>
>> 73 and thanks, Alek. VK6APK
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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73 Phil GM3ZZA
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Well...
I work 'em all, not fussy I guess.
A signal report/SNR is the bottom line for me.
Weak signal situations such as long sunrise and sunset paths over high latitudes as well as busy DX pile-ups make keeping it short helpful in some situations...
/Dave K1BZ
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