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Locked Re: #BugReport 2.4.0 rc2 auto sequencing FT8 #IssueReport

Gary Rogers
 

This appears to be resolved in RC3


Locked Re: #BugReport 2.4.0 rc2 Messages generated for incorrect call #IssueReport

Gary Rogers
 

This appears to be resolved with RC3


Locked Re: Is something wrong with FT4 sequencing in RC2? #FT4

Jim Reisert AD1C
 

This seems to be fixed in RC3 - thanks!


Locked Re: Time Sync Program. #Timesync

Martin G0HDB <marting0hdb@...>
 

For those folks using the Meinberg NTP app, there's an associated nice little utility called NTP Time Server Monitor that's also downloadable from the Meinberg website.

Its GUI shows all the details about the NTP servers in glorious colour so it's easy to see at a glance which ones are being used by the NTP client on the PC, and there's also the useful facility for showing in graphical form the PC clock's offset from 'real time' over a period of time which makes it very easy to see exactly how the PC's clock has drifted and been adjusted by the app.

--
Martin G0HDB


Locked Re: #mainscreen Strongest Signal Possible #mainscreen

David Ackrill
 

It's a tricky one, Steve,

I have a neighbour who uses 145MHz FM and, if we both try to use the same mode within a few kHz or so of each other, we interfere with each other.  We are, probably, within the near field of each others antennas...

Most, or even many, receivers that are used in the Amateur bands are not very good at rejecting strong signals that are very close to our own frequency.  You only have to look at the IP3 performance figures, and even then the claimed performance levels are well outside what we all regularly have to put up with within the Amateur bands.

So, your neighbour could be transmitting a signal inside the required transmitter limits, and your receiver is receiving inside the claimed IP3 limits, but in your real world your receiver is being overloaded by your neighbours transmitted signal.

Transmitting the wrong grid is not, at least here in the UK, an offense against the regulations, so I doubt that the Canadian authorities will be very interested in investigating your neighbour for a wrong grid transmission. 

At times I see signals that I think are reflected by aircraft scatter, but they always tend to slope to the left or the right.  Occasionally I see a signal with multiple images that do not move in frequency, these are sometimes stations with many 'wall-warts' plugged into multi-way sockets that input multiples of 50Hz (or 60Hz if you live in a country with that mains frequency) from the main signal.  Try telling those people that they are transmitting multiple images across the band and see how far you get...

Dave (G0DJA)


Locked Re: #mainscreen Strongest Signal Possible #mainscreen

JP Tucson, AZ
 

The other day, I decoded a fellow @ +60dB !  

I have two guys within 3 lies who regularly hit me with +25-28...

The irony is that the +60dB guy was about 350 miles away. Turns out, he forgot to turn off his auto-band-changing, auto-tuning 1200 Watt linear from working SSB an hour earlier.  

I will say this, he had a really clean output! Wasn't splattering, just solid red.

As for the wrong grid, I see a lot these folks that get in a hurry & fat-finger the keyboard. It's pretty funny to see folks who's QRZ page says they live on land, who's grid tracker report pops them up in the middle of the ocean; and not on a boat.  Unfortunately, some don't provide an email address & you can't tell them.

I wonder out loud here... how hard would it be to add 3 bits in order to warn of: clock(DT) too far off; grid not right; or QSY because they are getting hammered by another station...

73 - John - N7GHZ


On Mon, Mar 15, 2021, 1:27 PM Steve R via groups.io <oldjavadrinker=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
What is the strongest signal possible to receive on the Band Activity Window?  I have a very close neighbor who refuses to answer messages and emails but his signal strength I saw today was a +28. I have tried notching him out but he still squeaks through with a +4  or 5 even notched. First time I ever saw AGC kicking in on FT8.

Not sure what else to do short of reporting since he is actually transmitting wrong grid.  Not sure what his "game" or "intent" is?

Steve
VA3FLF



Locked Re: Time Sync Program. #Timesync

David Ackrill
 

As others have said, Meinburg is very good.  I closed down my D4 and swapped over to NTP time settings.

I can run the Meinburg software to keep track of what is happening, but if you follow the instructions at https://www.satsignal.eu/ntp/setup.html and then use the "CMD" line (press the Windows button and the letter "R" and press enter and at the prompt that comes up type "ntpq -pn" (make sure you put the space in between 'ntpq' and '-pn'...) and you should see something like this come up in a DOS window.

C:\Users\Owner>ntpq -pn
     remote           refid      st t when poll reach   delay   offset  jitter
==============================================================================
-134.0.16.1      114.199.6.79     2 u   53  128  377   14.954   -0.798   0.552
+88.150.161.54   85.199.214.98    2 u   69  128  377   12.555   -0.423  20.348
*195.171.43.10   .PPS.            1 u   24  128  377   19.327   -0.129   0.262
+194.0.5.123     85.199.214.98    2 u   75  128  377   17.416   -0.810   1.286
-93.94.224.67    193.79.237.14    2 u   88  128  377   19.002   +0.252   3.743

That tells you that your PC is now getting its time signal from the ntp servers and you can forget D4 or finding that your PC is driffting in time.

Cheers - Dave (G0DJA)


Locked Re: Time Sync Program. #Timesync

Bill Somerville
 

On 15/03/2021 17:40, Ron Schunk wrote:
Glad I found this thread...I've been having some problems as well...I use the Windoze built in sync, I have Meinberg installed (I think although I can not find any icon to lead me to that belief) and I have Dimension 4 and Net Time...invariably, when I start up my browser and look at time.is I find my laptop (vers 8.1 Windoze) is usually (99%) of the time, off by at least 1 second...then I fiddle with the windoze sync and or D4 and the difference drops to .2 or .3 seconds...rarely does it go to 'exact time'...
Just wondering what is going on?
Hi Ron,

do not run more than one time sync application, they will adversely affect each other. If you have Meinberg NTP Client installed then use that. On your Windows Start Menu you will have a entry call Quick NTP Status, use that to monitor the service status.

73
Bill
G4WJS.


Locked #mainscreen Strongest Signal Possible #mainscreen

Steve R
 

What is the strongest signal possible to receive on the Band Activity Window?  I have a very close neighbor who refuses to answer messages and emails but his signal strength I saw today was a +28. I have tried notching him out but he still squeaks through with a +4  or 5 even notched. First time I ever saw AGC kicking in on FT8.

Not sure what else to do short of reporting since he is actually transmitting wrong grid.  Not sure what his "game" or "intent" is?

Steve
VA3FLF


Locked Re: Receive reports??

 

Guys,

In this case the OP has a IC-7300 where the ADC is in the RF chain. This radio has a check that the ADC is not being overdriven. If it is the RF gain should be lowered to prevent it. Hence why I suggested to apply the maximum RF gain that didn't overdrive the ADC and then control the overall gain using the two digital controls.

73 Phil GM3ZZA

On 15 Mar 2021 16:56, Bill Somerville <g4wjs@...> wrote:
On 15/03/2021 16:06, Reino Talarmo wrote:
By “RF gain” being turned all of the way down I am assuming that you are using the controls on the 7300. If you are on a Windows computer, go into your sound settings, advanced tab. Select Microphone/USB audio codec. Right click on the icon to get into properties/levels and reduce the value there. You might want to center the RF/squelch control first. Reduce the level until the WSJTX incoming signal bar is where you want it.
Hi Joel,

Unfortunately your advice does not help at all. If the USB audio codec is overdriven, then any Windows digital gain reduction only moves overdriving point to a lower level and result is less dynamic range; just a cosmetic change, hi! RX level setting must be done at analog level in rig before analog to digital conversion. RF gain in that sense is into correct direction, but weak signal performance may suffer.

73, Reino OH3mA



Hi Reino,

that is not necessarily correct, many soundcards have switched attenuators, and some even have gain, before the ADC. The level slider in the Windows Device Manager Properties Levels tab will be adjusting that if the soundcard has such a pre-ADC stage.

73
Bill
G4WJS.



--
73 Phil GM3ZZA


Locked Re: Receive reports??

Joe Subich, W4TV
 

On 2021-03-15 12:06 PM, Reino Talarmo wrote:
By “RF gain” being turned all of the way down I am assuming that you are using the controls on the 7300. If you are on a Windows computer, go into your sound settings, advanced tab. Select Microphone/USB audio codec. Right click on the icon to get into properties/levels and reduce the value there. You might want to center the RF/squelch control first. Reduce the level until the WSJTX incoming signal bar is where you want it.
Hi Joel,
Unfortunately your advice does not help at all. If the USB audio codec is overdriven, then any Windows digital gain reduction only moves overdriving point to a lower level and result is less dynamic range; just a cosmetic change, hi! RX level setting must be done at analog level in rig before analog to digital conversion. RF gain in that sense is into correct direction, but weak signal performance may suffer.
73, Reino OH3mA
Actually you want to adjust the *ANALOG* audio level in the 7300.

In Windows Control Panel -> Recording -> Microphone (USB AUDIO CODEC) ->
Levels right click on the slider and select (check) decibels. Now
adjust the slider for 0 dB (or as close as possible without exceeding
0 dB).

Now *in the IC-7300* Use SET MODE -> CONNECTORS -> ACC/USB AF Output
Level to adjust the WSJTX "audio meter" to 30 - 40 dB with your
antenna connect, RF gain at maximum, and the IC7300 tuned to a frequency
with no signals (typically just above the "JTModes" frequencies, e.g.
14,084, 21084, etc. during the week).

By adjusting ACC/USB AF Output with RF gain at maximum an no signals,
you can use the RF Gain/attenuator to reduce the audio levels when
there are very strong signals present. Reducing RF gain will reduce
sensitivity to weak signals but they will probably not be able to be
decoded anyway with strong signals due to overload of the DSP in the
rig.

73,

... Joe, W4TV


Locked Re: Receive reports??

Jim Brown
 

On 3/15/2021 8:10 AM, wsjtx@... wrote:
Thanks in advance for any advice.
Here are two things I've put together to help folks chase down and kill noise.

http://k9yc.com/KillingReceiveNoise.pdf (text)
http://k9yc.com/KillingRXNoiseVisalia.pdf (slides for talks)

73, Jim K9YC


Locked Re: Rigblaster Blue doesn't modulate/CW/RTTY/WSJT-X my Kenwood TS-2000X #bluetooth #AudioIssues #WSJTX_config

Bruce N7XGR
 

Don,  As I explained that I made an interface cable that connects directly
to the ACCY jack instead of the mic jack.  This then made it possible to regain
the use of the mic jack.  In a TS2K(X) setup there are four links of the TX
audio chain, the Pwr slider in WSJT-X, the Sound Speakers slider, the TX
audio pot on the Blaster and the level input setting in the TS2K(X) (menu 50B)
when using the Rigblaster.  A setting of 0 on menu 50B means no TX audio
at this point.  If the TX audio pot on the Blaster is fully CCW then no TX audio.
At this point I do not know which would be better for this guy, the Blaster setup
or something like a IC7300 with built-in CAT and audio CODEC.
I can get him up and running on both setups.  I have a black and white tutorial
for getting WSJT-X to a IC7300 up and running in short order time.
The reason for the adapter cable is that the mic gain setting could not be touched
because it was one link in the WSJT-X TX audio chain.
I use Icoms now for the reason of only needing one cable.
I never tried the headphone jack on the Blaster, I used the TX MONI at the TS2K.

Bruce  N7XGR


On Sun, Mar 14, 2021 at 10:30 PM Don Roden <donroden@...> wrote:

Bruce,

There is a jack on the back of your Rigblaster that you can plug a headset into.    You *HAVE* to hear audio here.... not through your computer speakers.   Rigblaster made it easy to confirm that you have the audio path correct.  Just plug a headphone or amplified speaker into that back panel jack on the Rigblaster.   


Don W4DNR 


On 2021-03-14 17:22, WU9D wrote:

Thank you but none of that applies to my situation. 

 

On Mar 14, 2021, at 5:20 PM, Bruce <n7xgr1@...> wrote:

Mike,  One thing to keep in mind that the jumper settings should be correct for the TS2K.
If you are using a pre-wired jumper header and have it installed the correct way.
I have used a Rigblaster Advantage but did extra jumpers inside and made a adapter
cable that connected to the ACCY jack on a IC756P3 instead of the mic jack.
 
Bruce N7XGR

On Sun, Mar 14, 2021 at 5:48 PM WU9D <mike@...> wrote:

I can hear the tones in the PC speaker, yes. That's how I know they are being generated. And even when not using to PC speaker but using the TXMon I get no tones. Tones generated, yes; radio received, no. Like I said, I have tried all of this which is why I posted. I also have tried the hardware on my PC and my notebook. Different PCs, same behavior. I think I have a bad unit so I have decided to return the unit for a refund. I'm disgusted with WMR's poor technical support documentation and technician who I have been in contact with. He wants me to use the proper CAT commands (really, I don't program that) and flip a switch on the unit that doesn't exist.

 

Anyway, I think I have a defective Rigblaster Bluetooth and I am not satisfied with the performance at all. So I have given up and boxed everything up for a return authorization.

 

Mike WU9D.

 

From: main@WSJTX.groups.io <main@WSJTX.groups.io> On Behalf Of Karl Beckman via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2021 11:53 AM
To: main@WSJTX.groups.io
Subject: Re: [WSJTX] Rigblaster Blue doesn't modulate/CW/RTTY/WSJT-X my Kenwood TS-2000X #bluetooth #AudioIssues #WSJTX_config

 

You said you are hearing the WSJT transmit tones, but you didn't indicate from what device.  Coming out of the rig speaker? GOOD! That indicates the TxMon feature of your TS2000 is turned on.  Heard in the computer speaker? BAD! That means either you have routed WSJT audio 'playback' output to the wrong output device, or a Microsoft update has done it for you.
 
MOST* computers will not duplicate bluetooth RF audio to the (wired) speaker and headset jack, because the inherent delays within the BT encode/decode process create an intolerable echo effect which will quickly drive most listeners up the wall.  If your computer speaker is live, there's probably no audio being sent to te BT.  If there is BT audio, it likely includes WSJT Tx tones plus the Windows Alert sounds, beeps, chirps, and music you select in your System Sounds menu, all going to the default playback device. 
* But it seems there's always one supplier (or more) who does things differently.  Note the Rigblaster Blue catalog sheet says it will work with MOST transceivers and computers (but not all, as you are experiencing so far).
 
--
Karl  WA8NVW  OH
WA8NVW@...
in WSJTX@groups.io













Locked Re: IC-7300 rf output only on WSJT-X Tune #AudioIssues

Derek Brown
 

Checked on both my HF and 4M setups, hit tune and send a carrier, hit tune again go back to RX, enable TX and it transmits CQ or whatever msg is selected, no problems, strange it seems as though its only the IC-9700 setup which is affected ?

Derek G8ECI

On Monday, 15 March 2021, 13:30:46 GMT, Derek Brown via groups.io <g8eci@...> wrote:


Hi All,

I have had the same thing happen since I upgraded to the latest general release, I have three separate systems here, radios and PC's, it certainly does on my IC-9700 setup, will see if the HF 7610 and PC does it, as well as the 4M IC756, transverter and PC does it, all PC's are running WIN10, I thing with the latest updates, and the latest WSJT-X general release. All use HRD for logging (networked to log to on server the 7610 PC, i7 Processor & 16G Ram) with JTAlert as well. 

Will check this afternoon on the two other systems and report back.

73 Derek G8ECI

On Monday, 15 March 2021, 12:57:52 GMT, Steve marsh (M0NMA) <m0nma@...> wrote:


it happened again yesterday - when I checked, the settings were all OK, but whilst the sound output was showing as the audio codec for the rig, looking at the windows sound I could see the audio was going to the speakers instead. Restarting wsjt-x fixed it. 
--
Steve M0NMA







Locked Re: Receive reports??

wsjtx@...
 

Thanks Phil.  I'll go looking for those settings in the radio, but might have achieved something similar by following other advice to use Windows Advanced sound settings to reduce the Icom-supplied USB driver's output.

Coincidentally or not, the right setting there was also about one third of the available range, like your settings.


Locked Re: Receive reports??

wsjtx@...
 

Thanks Joel... that has addressed the issue with the receive thermometer nearly always being in the red.

You are correct, I was turning down the 7300's RF gain control to try to hold the thermometer down but having only marginal effect even when RF Gain was turned all the way down.

Following your advice I dragged the slider back to just 30 - it was at 100 - and now even with the RF Gain set to full/normal I'm getting a green thermometer in the 70-75 range.

Might this change reduce the disparity between my receive reports and the other guys'?  We'll see soon.  Thx again.

For someone else who may read this later, Windows would not at first allow me to adjust the slider for WSJT-X.  Once I rolled back WSJT-X's power to zero and hit the Tune button, the Windows Advanced sound settings window allowed me to adjust the slider even after I stopped tuning/transmitting.


Locked Re: Receive reports??

wsjtx@...
 

Thanks.  Yes, msg #13890 advice has been followed.  I'm using a USB interface rather than my computer's sound card (Icom 7300 to Icom-supplied USB driver on the computer).  Following the #13890 advice the devices is at zero db when the slider is all the way to the right, as the advice says may be the case in some systems.  It seems to be calibrated properly per those instructions.


Locked Re: Receive reports??

wsjtx@...
 

Thanks, but it seems that my experience is the opposite of what you're speculating.  Other stations are reporting me as if *I* was running QRO but I'm not - I'm usually running 22 watts off a wire dipole, 30% of the IC-7300's power.  However the other stations often give me a MUCH higher signal report than I give them, so whether they're running QRO or not it's me and my wee chirping that is reported to be blowing them out of the water.

I've started to conclude that many operators are offended by that because I get a WHOLE lot of exchanges that end without completion after I report my (usually much lower) received signal report to them.


Locked Re: Time Sync Program. #Timesync

Ron Schunk <ron051798@...>
 

Glad I found this thread...I've been having some problems as well...I use the Windoze built in sync, I have Meinberg installed (I think although I can not find any icon to lead me to that belief) and I have Dimension 4 and Net Time...invariably, when I start up my browser and look at time.is I find my laptop (vers 8.1 Windoze) is usually (99%) of the time, off by at least 1 second...then I fiddle with the windoze sync and or D4 and the difference drops to .2 or .3 seconds...rarely does it go to 'exact time'...
Just wondering what is going on?


Locked Re: Receive reports??

Dave (NK7Z)
 

Try a site survey to see what your RFI looks like:

https://www.nk7z.net/sdr-rfi-survey-p1/



73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 3/15/21 8:10 AM, wsjtx@... wrote:
I see this issue MOST of the time, very often with huge disparities in send/receive reports.  The receive reports are close to each other less than ten percent of the time.
I'm usually chasing CQs rather than emitting them.  This morning a K0 in MN (about 1,000mi west of me) replied with +16, my station responded with R-13.  The W0 didn't continue the exchange while his +16 report suggests his station probably heard me. This kind of dropped exchange is something that I'm experiencing frequently and when it occurs there is nearly always a 10db-20db or more differential in receive reports.
Discussion in this thread seems point to high noise at my station. However I live in a very small village 10 miles from a medium-sized town and 100 miles from a big city.  Is my station THAT noisy?
Maybe it is?  The incoming signal bar at lower left is often close to 80/red even though I have the RF Gain on my IC-7300 turned way down, often as low as it will go.  Even with RF gain turned all the way down the signals continue to come in without any apparent diminishment and the incoming signal bar continues to flicker into red.  Is it *this* that is causing my reports to be much lower than the stations answering me?  Is high noise floor the only explanation for it, or is there something else I should be adjusting?
I am usually using just 22.33 watts of power and my antenna is a home-brew Carolina Windom (off-center-fed wire dipole).  Not exactly a super-station.  So is noise at my station the only possible explanation for what I'm seeing?
Thanks in advance for any advice.