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The information posted from me was for a VERY early version of Q65 and the software has changed dramatically for the better. Months of testing every morning with KB7IJ, NM3G, WB4HIE, and K5GZR have pretty much resulted in the following conclusions. (Path lengths 600 to 900 miles) Averaging should be left on all the time now. Decoding while monitoring works much better than it did. Decoding while monitoring still works better if the signal you are looking for is inside the F Tol setting. Once you are in QSO, F Tol can be as narrow as you like and your equipment permits (stability) For schedules, always put the Call and Grid in, before starting the QSO. Don't call CQ, call the person you are skeding with. This invokes AP decoding immediately. Reports like q0 indicate AP decoding is not running because you don't have call/grid entered) Reports like q3 indicate AP decoding is working Reports like q32 indicate AP and Averaging are working the 2 means 2 sequences average) Q65 Settings for 15A, 30B, 120E Always hit F4 key to clear collected junk before starting a performance run Always hit Clear Avg button before starting a new QSO if evaluating performance F Tol 50 Hz (can be set lower for schedules) Decode: Fast, Enable Averaging, Auto-Clear Average After Decode Notice: at bottom of Decode Screen (next to Current Mode Listing) two numerical boxes. These show skipped frames (number of frames since last decode). This is a VERY good indication of decode efficiency when manipulating power levels) Which number increments or goes to 0 with a decode depends on whether you are on 1st or 2nd ... Q65 30A (30 sec sequences with Submode A) is still the standard on 50.275 (USA) Q65 120E (120 sec sequences with Submode E) is on 50.235, and most sensitive for qrp on 6m (not EME) Latest testing shows: (we have been testing 15A for several weeks every morning for about an hour) Q65-15A works quite well for schedules. We have been working every morning at 666 miles with the far end at 5-10 watts and me at 20-30 watts (he has noise), and getting about 85% decodes on my end and he is getting about 40 to 50 percent decodes on his. He is using 7 EL @ 50', I am using 5 EL at 60', both fed with hardline. Both are LFAs Q65-30B works better than 30A, and very obviously so. (not night and day, but easy to see) 1 to 3 watts on the far end produces > 60% decodes Q65-30A works marginally, but not dramatically better than Q65-15A Q65-15A works better than MSK144 during non-shower times (testing from pre-sunrise to about an hour after sunrise) It is clearly superior. We have repeatedly compared how much power and how much time it takes to complete a qso or to get a series of decodes using MSK144 vs Q65-15A. Q65-15A requires MUCH less power to generate decodes than MSK144...by well over 5 dB. It's message averaging works extremely well. Q65-15A will complete the QSO in fewer sequences than MSK144 Q65-15A will generate more sequences with decodes than MSK144 (by that we mean, 15 second sequences where no decode appears) If there are a LOT (like in a shower), of meteors, then MSK144 is still faster to complete than Q65-15A or 30B For typical early morning conditions, both Q65-30A and 15A are clearly superior to MSK144 in that they require significantly less power to generate more sequences that produce decodes. One might wonder WHY is Q65 better under most conditions than MSK144 on 6m terrestrial? Here is our theory, but it is speculation. MSK144 is optimized for meteors. It will respond to other modes of propagation, but for some reason, not as efficiently as Q65. (efficiency defined by low power performance) Sustained sporadic E is an exception, as it acts like a perfect mirror and MSK144 loves it...but since MSK144 depends on time division multiplexing, a common frequency becomes unusable very quickly. Q65 seems to make use of all propagation modes, it does not care. It acts like a funnel. All of these propagation modes efficiently contribute to a decode in Q65: Ionoscatter Troposcatter Tropoducting Meteor Scatter Sporadic E Airplane Scatter In summary: Do Not Run 120E or 30B on 50.275! 120E is magical, but way long and hard on equipment. 30B works nearly as well as 120E 30A is the 'standard' on 275 and is most likely to generate a response to a CQ 15A works surprisingly well. So well, we have stopped running tests on 30B and only rarely test on 120E for special super qrp stuff. We have been running 30A and 15A on 275 if it is not busy, trying to generate more 15A activity. We run 120E and 30B on 50.235 Hopefully, this will help people get the most out of Q65 on 6m for terrestrial work. 73, N0AN p.s., I'm going to post this information in it's own thread, as it might get lost in this one. Hasan On Tue, Jun 1, 2021 at 9:55 PM D. Scott MacKenzie <kb0fhp@...> wrote: That is not quite correct. It will spot CW/SSB if the receiving op spots it. However, with the digital modes, it is for the most part done automatically |
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That is not quite correct. It will spot CW/SSB if the receiving op spots it. However, with the digital modes, it is for the most part done automatically
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From: main@WSJTX.groups.io <main@WSJTX.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Brown Sent: Tuesday, June 1, 2021 10:06 PM To: main@WSJTX.groups.io Subject: Re: [WSJTX] #q65 Mode q65 on 6 meters On 6/1/2021 5:08 PM, Ted wrote: Bill, you may want to watch DX Maps for the next few days…6 is openEven better, watch PSKReporter, requesting sent/received by Anyone on 6M in the last 15 minutes. While it won't see CW or SSB activity, it provides a great display of propagation in near real time. Most users of WSJT modes report receptions to this site. 73, Jim K9YC |
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On 6/1/2021 6:06 PM, Dick wrote:
What is it about this new Mode (Q65) that makes it superior toSee the Quick Start Guide for Q65, on the WSJT-X website. Likewise for FST4, introduced in the prior general release. 73, Jim K9YC |
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On 6/1/2021 5:08 PM, Ted wrote:
Bill, you may want to watch DX Maps for the next few days…6 is open big time !!Even better, watch PSKReporter, requesting sent/received by Anyone on 6M in the last 15 minutes. While it won't see CW or SSB activity, it provides a great display of propagation in near real time. Most users of WSJT modes report receptions to this site. 73, Jim K9YC |
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From: Dick <w1ksz@...> To: main@WSJTX.groups.io <main@WSJTX.groups.io> Sent: Tue, Jun 1, 2021 9:06 pm Subject: Re: [WSJTX] #q65 Mode q65 on 6 meters
And yet another Digital Mode ...
What is it about this new Mode (Q65) that makes it superior to
FT8 or FT4 ?
Tnx es 73, Dick, W1KSZ
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And yet another Digital Mode ...
What is it about this new Mode (Q65) that makes it superior to
FT8 or FT4 ?
Tnx es 73, Dick, W1KSZ
From: main@WSJTX.groups.io <main@WSJTX.groups.io> on behalf of Ted <k7trkradio@...>
Sent: Tuesday, June 1, 2021 5:37 PM To: main@WSJTX.groups.io <main@WSJTX.groups.io> Cc: william.lederer@... <william.lederer@...> Subject: Re: [WSJTX] #q65 Mode q65 on 6 meters Also, Bill, here is some valuable info that was given to me by Hasan….basically, it is “Q65 for Dummies” (ME, being the dummy): Ted, Yes data should be showing in the left window if you are decoding anyone. It will look like any other mode in WSJT-X. So in the window you showed, you have not decoded anyone.
Every T/R period is its own MODE, so you cannot just change T/R willy nilly. Each mode has its own frequency , pretty much.
The most common mode for beginners is 30A , which you run on 50.275
That is a T/R of 30 and Submode A.
For now, forget about Message Averaging...you are bound to forget you left it on and it will reduce your monitoring decodes.
Your best bet is to monitor 50.275 Q65-30A for signals. Until you start seeing waterfall sparkles and decode stations, there isn't much point calling CQ (your settings could be all messed up, in which case you will just qrm others). Listen first, then when you have a feel for what is going on, call someone you hear.
73, N0AN
Hasan
On Sun, Feb 14, 2021 at 4:54 PM <k7trkradio@...> wrote: Hi, where is ‘enable Averaging” ? also, for normal CQ, what is the best T/R setting Thanks,
Ted
From: Hasan N0AN
Hi Ted,
the A in 30A is Submode A, which you have selected correctly for Q65-30A on 50.275
If you are going to run a sked with someone with really weak signals anticipated go to 50.235 and select T/R 120 and Submode E
also known as 120E
Basic settings:
Decode = FAST (not Deep), Enable Averaging OFF , F Tol 20 Hz Those are settings for monitoring the passband for all signals.
For a qso, pretype in Call and Grid, Turn Enable Averaging ON, F Tol stays at 20 Hz.
When finished, turn enable Averaging off, and clear the DXCall and Grid by hitting F4
This will give you the best sensitivity for monitoring and the best performance while in QSO
73, N0AN Hasan
On Sun, Feb 14, 2021 at 4:30 PM <k7trkradio@...> wrote: Hi Hasan,
Would appreciate some help. Attached is a snip of my setup. Is this correct?
I do not see any setting for ‘30A’ as discussed in the emails on the Group…
Thank you and 73, Ted K7TRK
From: main@WSJTX.groups.io On Behalf Of Bill Lederer
Thanks, I will.
On Tue, Jun 1, 2021 at 7:08 PM Ted <k7trkradio@...> wrote:
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Also, Bill, here is some valuable info that was given to me by Hasan….basically, it is “Q65 for Dummies” (ME, being the dummy): Ted, Yes data should be showing in the left window if you are decoding anyone. It will look like any other mode in WSJT-X. So in the window you showed, you have not decoded anyone.
Every T/R period is its own MODE, so you cannot just change T/R willy nilly. Each mode has its own frequency , pretty much.
The most common mode for beginners is 30A , which you run on 50.275
That is a T/R of 30 and Submode A.
For now, forget about Message Averaging...you are bound to forget you left it on and it will reduce your monitoring decodes.
Your best bet is to monitor 50.275 Q65-30A for signals. Until you start seeing waterfall sparkles and decode stations, there isn't much point calling CQ (your settings could be all messed up, in which case you will just qrm others). Listen first, then when you have a feel for what is going on, call someone you hear.
73, N0AN
Hasan
On Sun, Feb 14, 2021 at 4:54 PM <k7trkradio@...> wrote: Hi, where is ‘enable Averaging” ? also, for normal CQ, what is the best T/R setting Thanks,
Ted
From: Hasan N0AN
Hi Ted,
the A in 30A is Submode A, which you have selected correctly for Q65-30A on 50.275
If you are going to run a sked with someone with really weak signals anticipated go to 50.235 and select T/R 120 and Submode E
also known as 120E
Basic settings:
Decode = FAST (not Deep), Enable Averaging OFF , F Tol 20 Hz Those are settings for monitoring the passband for all signals.
For a qso, pretype in Call and Grid, Turn Enable Averaging ON, F Tol stays at 20 Hz.
When finished, turn enable Averaging off, and clear the DXCall and Grid by hitting F4
This will give you the best sensitivity for monitoring and the best performance while in QSO
73, N0AN Hasan
On Sun, Feb 14, 2021 at 4:30 PM <k7trkradio@...> wrote: Hi Hasan,
Would appreciate some help. Attached is a snip of my setup. Is this correct?
I do not see any setting for ‘30A’ as discussed in the emails on the Group…
Thank you and 73, Ted K7TRK
From: main@WSJTX.groups.io On Behalf Of Bill Lederer
Thanks, I will.
On Tue, Jun 1, 2021 at 7:08 PM Ted <k7trkradio@...> wrote:
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Thanks, I will. On Tue, Jun 1, 2021 at 7:08 PM Ted <k7trkradio@...> wrote:
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just a maybe, but when I used my signalink, not keying was due to low audio, if you are not transmitting in the center of the band. see if 'fake it' is on, recommended. i did not use cat for ptt. cat was only for frequency/band selection Dave Garber VE3WEJ / VE3IE On Tue, Jun 1, 2021 at 2:01 PM <rod@...> wrote: Hi, I'm running a TS2000 and I'm getting the same error message that bob posted in msg #25374 (Command rejected by the rig) when I tried upgrading to WSJT-X v2.4.0 I can receive and decode with no problem, but the radio will not TX using my SignaLink with VOX as normal, or trying to use CAT control, or DTS/DTR. Changing the mode or split operation settings also has no effect. |
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Tom V. Segalstad
Sine time ago I had a similar problem with sound from the speakers in a laptop PC, which should use the sound with the transceiver only.
The laptop PC had a 4-pole jack for external headphones/speakers and microphone. So I simply plugged a 4-pole jack-plug, with nothing connected, into the audio
jack -- and this little jack-plug silenced the PC's speakers -- and all audio was now just between the PC and the transceiver.
73 and good luck from Tom, LA4LN
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Sent: Tuesday, June 1, 2021 10:26:01 PM To: main@WSJTX.groups.io <main@WSJTX.groups.io> Subject: Re: [WSJTX] Low power output with 2.4.0 and IC-7300 #Cat_RigControl I doubt it’s IC-7300 specific. The IC-7300 shouldn’t direct its TX audio back to the computer. It must be something in Windows that is directing the WSJT-X audio both to the rig and the speakers, but I don’t know of a mechanism that can do that.
On second thoughts maybe the TX monitor facility feeds back into the computer audio, if you have the rig speakers feeding into the PC line-in or microphone? I don’t have TX monitor enabled on USB-D on my 7300.
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You are NOT configured correctly if your speakers are belting out your transmit OR receive tones. Someone familiar with the 7300 configuration will need to help you. You should not hear any of your transmit or receive tones, except coming out of the radio itself.
Gary - AG0N
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Bill, you may want to watch DX Maps for the next few days…6 is open big time !! QSO/SWL real time maps and lists (dxmaps.com)
73, Ted, K7TRK
From: main@WSJTX.groups.io On Behalf Of Bill Lederer
Sent: Tuesday, June 1, 2021 5:02 PM To: main@wsjtx.groups.io Subject: Re: [WSJTX] #q65 Mode q65 on 6 meters
Sure.
Good to hear from you.
I have k3s attached to 80 meter dipole with second antenna either 20 or 160 (dipole), and my FT 1000 MP MK5 always on 40 meters to a dipole. I have them running pretty much all the time--I can just glance over to see what is happening. So I can work stuff while working on paying projects. The 80 meter dipole works well on 80, and can work on 60, 30, 15, 10 and 6 meters. Just ping me here, and we can check it out. I don't check this email as often as I should, but william.lederer@... is constantly in my pocket.
73
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I got it figured out. I took the Win4Icom software out of the equation and it's working fine now.
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Karl,
On 1.6.2021 22.53, Karl Beckman wrote:
It sounds like you have set your computer speakers to monitor the WSJT sound card audio output, which is radio transmit audio. That is not good! WSJT should have its own dedicated sound card device, such as the Sabrent unit found at Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Sabrent-External-Adapter-Windows-AU-MMSC/dp/B00IRVQ0F8/ref=asc_df_B071HJ98Q6?tag=bingshoppinga-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=80607997944720&hvnetw=o&hvqmt=e&hvbmt=be&hvdev=c&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=&hvtargid=pla-4584207577330719&th=1 . You can also purchase them throuigh other online sources. the OP uses an ICOM 7300 transceiver that has an internal
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On 6/1/2021 12:46 PM, Rick Wysocki wrote:
I am running Win 10 on a Samsung Flexbook. I installed the latest version of WSJT-X (2.4) and "Test CAT" and "PTT Test" both work for my IC-705. The issue is that when I hit the "Enable TX" button it flashes red briefly but will not stay red. The radio works properly when connected to WSJT-X on another laptop so I believe it's either the Flexbook Win 10 installation or the WSJT-X install on it. Any suggestions on resolving the issue would be greatly appreciated and thanks in advance. Rick, K1JOPRick, In the "Generate Standard Messages" tab, do you have one of the "TX " boxes selected that is empty (see attached). If so, that, could cause the problem. Since you said it works you use a different computer, it might be something else. Doesn't hurt to check, however. 73, Jim N6VH 
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Dave / NR1DX <manuals@...>
Several folks (but not everyone) with various rigs on other reflectors have reported similar problems with the update of WSJT and a recent WIN -10 update which occurred within days of each other for some folks which reset some folks computers. Probably best to go through and check to be sure the level is set correctly in Windows as well a Radio menus
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Dave NR1DX On 6/1/2021 4:26 PM, Philip Rose via groups.io wrote:
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Bill Lederer
Sure. Good to hear from you. I have k3s attached to 80 meter dipole with second antenna either 20 or 160 (dipole), and my FT 1000 MP MK5 always on 40 meters to a dipole. I have them running pretty much all the time--I can just glance over to see what is happening. So I can work stuff while working on paying projects. The 80 meter dipole works well on 80, and can work on 60, 30, 15, 10 and 6 meters. Just ping me here, and we can check it out. I don't check this email as often as I should, but william.lederer@... is constantly in my pocket. 73 On Tue, Jun 1, 2021 at 3:59 PM Larry Koziel <k8mu599mi@...> wrote:
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On 01/06/2021 20:46, Rick Wysocki wrote:
I am running Win 10 on a Samsung Flexbook. I installed the latest version of WSJT-X (2.4) and "Test CAT" and "PTT Test" both work for my IC-705. The issue is that when I hit the "Enable TX" button it flashes red briefly but will not stay red. The radio works properly when connected to WSJT-X on another laptop so I believe it's either the Flexbook Win 10 installation or the WSJT-X install on it. Any suggestions on resolving the issue would be greatly appreciated and thanks in advance. Rick, K1JOPHi Rick, have you entered your callsign and gridsquare into "Settings->General? WSJT-X will not send a blank message, which message are you trying to send? 73 Bill G4WJS. |
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I doubt it’s IC-7300 specific. The IC-7300 shouldn’t direct its TX audio back to the computer. It must be something in Windows that is directing the WSJT-X audio both to the rig and the speakers, but I don’t know of a mechanism that can do that.
On second thoughts maybe the TX monitor facility feeds back into the computer audio, if you have the rig speakers feeding into the PC line-in or microphone? I don’t have TX monitor enabled on USB-D on my 7300.
73 Phil GM3ZZA
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Sent: 01 June 2021 19:02 To: main@wsjtx.groups.io Subject: Re: [WSJTX] Low power output with 2.4.0 and IC-7300 #Cat_RigControl
You are NOT configured correctly if your speakers are belting out your transmit OR receive tones. Someone familiar with the 7300 configuration will need to help you. You should not hear any of your transmit or receive tones, except coming out of the radio itself.
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It sounds like you have set your computer speakers to monitor the WSJT sound card audio output, which is radio transmit audio. That is not good! WSJT should have its own dedicated sound card device, such as the Sabrent unit found at Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Sabrent-External-Adapter-Windows-AU-MMSC/dp/B00IRVQ0F8/ref=asc_df_B071HJ98Q6?tag=bingshoppinga-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=80607997944720&hvnetw=o&hvqmt=e&hvbmt=be&hvdev=c&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=&hvtargid=pla-4584207577330719&th=1 . You can also purchase them throuigh other online sources.
The computer speakers should be set to listen only to the internal sound card 'default' speaker audio stream, which is the Windows system sounds. Right now possible that you are transmitting both WSJT tones and the Windows alert sounds over your radio. -- Karl WA8NVW OH WA8NVW@... in WSJTX@groups.io |
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I am running Win 10 on a Samsung Flexbook. I installed the latest version of WSJT-X (2.4) and "Test CAT" and "PTT Test" both work for my IC-705. The issue is that when I hit the "Enable TX" button it flashes red briefly but will not stay red. The radio works properly when connected to WSJT-X on another laptop so I believe it's either the Flexbook Win 10 installation or the WSJT-X install on it. Any suggestions on resolving the issue would be greatly appreciated and thanks in advance. Rick, K1JOP
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