Hi Reino,

Sorry to get back to you so late in the day.

I did not say that it did not work. What I said was that the pattern of TX/RX was the same as the one that Dave mentioned.

I also questioned why the RRR would break the FD exchange as I obviously mentioned that I logged the QSO correctly and my counter party logged the QSO correctly. I understand the an RR73 from my side completes the sequence from my perspective. What I did not realize running under special operation FD that the counter party would not then sequence to TX5 and send a 73. How would I know if the counter party ever received my RR73. There has been a lot of emails on this subject and I really don't want to start a whole thread on this subject.   

73,

Sam W2JDB

-----Original Message-----
From: Reino Talarmo <reino.talarmo@...>
To: main@WSJTX.groups.io
Sent: Thu, Jun 25, 2020 12:02 pm
Subject: Re: [WSJTX] Should I have to enter CLASS and SECTION for every contact when I have Advanced>>Special Operating Activity>>ARRL Field Day selected? #log_issues

Hi Sam,

Perhaps the reason is that the contest message exchange is defined as:

ARRL Field Day

CQ FD K1ABC FN42

                      K1ABC W9XYZ 6A WI

W9XYZ K1ABC R 2B EMA

                      K1ABC W9XYZ RR73

 

There is no additional 73 that was ‘forced’ by the RRR.
It was a good test, I assume, as now you know what is not working!

Good Luck in FD!

73, Reino OH3mA

 

 

From: main@WSJTX.groups.io [mailto:main@WSJTX.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sam Birnbaum via groups.io
Sent: 25. kesäkuuta 2020 18:33
To: main@WSJTX.groups.io
Subject: Re: [WSJTX] Should I have to enter CLASS and SECTION for every contact when I have Advanced>>Special Operating Activity>>ARRL Field Day selected? #log_issues

 

Hi Bill,

Yes I did force a ctrl+R. I assume that if I did not I would have sent rr73 instead. As far as the docs indicate only ft4 forces rr73. Why would an era break the fd exchange process?

 

73,

 

Sam W2JDB

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Somerville <g4wjs@...>
To: main <main@WSJTX.groups.io>
Sent: Thu, Jun 25, 2020 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: [WSJTX] Should I have to enter CLASS and SECTION for every contact when I have Advanced>>Special Operating Activity>>ARRL Field Day selected? #log_issues

Sam,

 

are you forcing a Ctrl+R into WSJT-X? Unfortunately WSJT-X allows that even though is breaks the FD exchange.

 

73
Bill
G4WJS.

 

On 25/06/2020 16:08, Sam Birnbaum via groups.io wrote:

Hi Bill,

 

Just saw this exchange. I did a test this morning with my friend to make sure QLog is ready for the blind hams groups. I was on Tab 1. Running WSJT-X ver. 2.2.2,  TX1 was disabled, thought that was very unusual. QLog automatically adjusts for out of sequence tx/rx messages and was able to log the QSO. Here is the extract from All.TXT. It seems to have exactly the same pattern as the one from Dave.

 

200625_131545 24.915 Rx FT8 -12 0.5 1590 CQ FD K2GK FN30

200625_131600 24.915 Tx FT8 0 0.0 1590 K2GK W2JDB 1D NLI                   

200625_131615 24.915 Rx FT8 -12 0.5 1590 W2JDB K2GK R 1D NLI

200625_131630 24.915 Tx FT8 0 0.0 1590 K2GK W2JDB RRR                      

200625_131645 24.915 Rx FT8 -12 0.5 1590 W2JDB K2GK 73

200625_131700 24.915 Tx FT8 0 0.0 1590 K2GK W2JDB 73           

 

73, 

Sam W2JDB

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Somerville mailto:g4wjs@...
To: main@WSJTX.groups.io
Sent: Thu, Jun 25, 2020 10:52 am
Subject: Re: [WSJTX] Should I have to enter CLASS and SECTION for every contact when I have Advanced>>Special Operating Activity>>ARRL Field Day selected? #log_issues

Hi Dave,

 

thanks for that. The messages are not the expected ones for a FD exchange as shown in the WSJT-X User Guide:

 

https://physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/wsjtx-doc/wsjtx-main-2.2.2.html#CONTEST_MSGS

 

The exchange you had is exactly what happens if Tab 2 messages are used in FD mode. So if you were not using Tab 2 messages then you must be doing something else that is causing the RRR message to be sent that is breaking the FD mode. I have just tried a test QSO using Tab 1 messages and it works as expected with the full exchange being logged.

 

73
Bill
G4WJS.

 

On 25/06/2020 15:40, Dave - K7DCJ via groups.io wrote:

This is a test contact I ran with AH6EZ.  He didn't choose to respond until after my second transmission.

200625_033100    50.313 Rx FT8     21 -0.0 1187 CQ FD AH6EZ CN88
200625_033115    50.313 Tx FT8      0  0.0 1187 AH6EZ K7DCJ 1E WWA
200625_033130    50.313 Rx FT8     21 -0.0 1187 CQ FD AH6EZ CN88
200625_033145    50.313 Tx FT8      0  0.0 1187 AH6EZ K7DCJ 1E WWA
200625_033200    50.313 Rx FT8     21 -0.0 1187 CQ FD AH6EZ CN88
200625_033215    50.313 Tx FT8      0  0.0 1187 AH6EZ K7DCJ 1E WWA
200625_033230    50.313 Rx FT8     19  0.0 1187 K7DCJ AH6EZ R 1E WWA
200625_033245    50.313 Tx FT8      0  0.0 1187 AH6EZ K7DCJ RRR
200625_033300    50.313 Rx FT8     20 -0.0 1187 K7DCJ AH6EZ 73
200625_033315    50.313 Tx FT8      0  0.0 1187 AH6EZ K7DCJ 73

This failed to log when it occurred, and I still can't get it to log.

73,
Dave
K7DCJ

On 6/25/20 7:26 AM, Bill Somerville wrote:

HI Dave,

please provide an extract of your ALL.TXT  file (in the WSJT-X log files directory) that covers the test QSO where you found that the log exchange fields were not correctly populated please?

73
Bill
G4WJS.

On 25/06/2020 15:23, Dave - K7DCJ via groups.io wrote:

I am on TAB 1.  Contest data was in the messages and set in my settings, but they are not populated in the log entry.  It is not possible to log without manually entering the Exch sent and Rcvd.

73,
Dave
K7DCJ


On 6/25/20 2:58 AM, neil_zampella wrote:

You shouldn't have to if you are on the >>>  TAB 1 <<<< of the messages.      Contest modes to not populate if you use TAB 2.

Neil, KN3ILZ

On 6/25/2020 12:33 AM, Dave - K7DCJ via groups.io wrote:

For Field Day, when Logging a QSO with Advanced>>Special Operating Activity>>ARRL Field Day selected, I have to enter both the "Exch sent" and "Rcvd" manually.

Is this correct?!  I have the "FD Exch" set to my values.

Or, is there something else I need to set?

73,
Dave
K7DCJ

 

Hi Sam,
Perhaps the reason is that the contest message exchange is defined as:
*ARRL Field Day*
CQ FD K1ABC FN42
                      K1ABC W9XYZ 6A WI
W9XYZ K1ABC R 2B EMA
                      K1ABC W9XYZ RR73
On 25/06/2020 16:08, Sam Birnbaum via groups.io wrote:
Hi Bill,
Just saw this exchange. I did a test this morning with my friend to
make sure QLog is ready for the blind hams groups. I was on Tab 1.
Running WSJT-X ver. 2.2.2,  TX1 was disabled, thought that was very
unusual. QLog automatically adjusts for out of sequence tx/rx
messages and was able to log the QSO. Here is the extract from
All.TXT. It seems to have exactly the same pattern as the one from Dave.
200625_131545 24.915 Rx FT8 -12 0.5 1590 CQ FD K2GK FN30
200625_131600 24.915 Tx FT8 0 0.0 1590 K2GK W2JDB 1D NLI
200625_131615 24.915 Rx FT8 -12 0.5 1590 W2JDB K2GK R 1D NLI
200625_131630 24.915 Tx FT8 0 0.0 1590 K2GK W2JDB RRR
200625_131645 24.915 Rx FT8 -12 0.5 1590 W2JDB K2GK 73
200625_131700 24.915 Tx FT8 0 0.0 1590 K2GK W2JDB 73
73,
Sam W2JDB
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Somerville <g4wjs@...>
<mailto:g4wjs@...>
To: main@WSJTX.groups.io <mailto:main@WSJTX.groups.io>
Sent: Thu, Jun 25, 2020 10:52 am
Subject: Re: [WSJTX] Should I have to enter CLASS and SECTION for
every contact when I have Advanced>>Special Operating Activity>>ARRL
Field Day selected? #log_issues
Hi Dave,
thanks for that. The messages are not the expected ones for a FD
exchange as shown in the WSJT-X User Guide:
https://physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/wsjtx-doc/wsjtx-main-2.2.2.html#CONTEST_MSGS
The exchange you had is exactly what happens if Tab 2 messages are
used in FD mode. So if you were not using Tab 2 messages then you
must be doing something else that is causing the RRR message to be
sent that is breaking the FD mode. I have just tried a test QSO
using Tab 1 messages and it works as expected with the full exchange
being logged.
73
Bill
G4WJS.
On 25/06/2020 15:40, Dave - K7DCJ via groups.io wrote:
This is a test contact I ran with AH6EZ.  He didn't choose to
respond until after my second transmission.
200625_033100    50.313 Rx FT8     21 -0.0 1187 CQ FD AH6EZ CN88
200625_033115    50.313 Tx FT8      0  0.0 1187 AH6EZ K7DCJ 1E WWA
200625_033130    50.313 Rx FT8     21 -0.0 1187 CQ FD AH6EZ CN88
200625_033145    50.313 Tx FT8      0  0.0 1187 AH6EZ K7DCJ 1E WWA
200625_033200    50.313 Rx FT8     21 -0.0 1187 CQ FD AH6EZ CN88
200625_033215    50.313 Tx FT8      0  0.0 1187 AH6EZ K7DCJ 1E WWA
200625_033230    50.313 Rx FT8     19  0.0 1187 K7DCJ AH6EZ R 1E
WWA
200625_033245    50.313 Tx FT8      0  0.0 1187 AH6EZ K7DCJ RRR
200625_033300    50.313 Rx FT8     20 -0.0 1187 K7DCJ AH6EZ 73
200625_033315    50.313 Tx FT8      0  0.0 1187 AH6EZ K7DCJ 73
This failed to log when it occurred, and I still can't get it to
log.
73,
Dave
K7DCJ
On 6/25/20 7:26 AM, Bill Somerville wrote:
HI Dave,
please provide an extract of your ALL.TXT  file (in the
WSJT-X log files directory) that covers the test QSO where
you found that the log exchange fields were not correctly
populated please?
73
Bill
G4WJS.
On 25/06/2020 15:23, Dave - K7DCJ via groups.io wrote:
I am on TAB 1.  Contest data was in the messages and set
in my settings, but they are not populated in the log
entry.  It is not possible to log without manually
entering the Exch sent and Rcvd.
73,
Dave
K7DCJ
On 6/25/20 2:58 AM, neil_zampella wrote:
You shouldn't have to if you are on the >>>  TAB 1
<<<< of the messages.      Contest modes to not
populate if you use TAB 2.
Neil, KN3ILZ
On 6/25/2020 12:33 AM, Dave - K7DCJ via groups.io
wrote:
For Field Day, when Logging a QSO with
Advanced>>Special Operating Activity>>ARRL Field
Day selected, I have to enter both the "Exch
sent" and "Rcvd" manually.
Is this correct?!  I have the "FD Exch" set to
my values.
Or, is there something else I need to set?
73,
Dave
K7DCJ

Hi Bill..
After looking at things last night and calming down some it ended up being
just one field change. Last year the Qso's Class was being sent out via the
RST_RCVD field. This year it has been moved to the CLASS field. This is what
was not noticed. In our transfer routines we do n not have the CLASS field
in the import. That was added and a couple other changes needed to be made
to let that be captured.

73 Rick N2AMG

P.S. A new version should be posted in a few minutes..

-----Original Message-----
From: main@WSJTX.groups.io [mailto:main@WSJTX.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill
Somerville
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2020 7:00 AM
To: main@WSJTX.groups.io
Subject: Re: [WSJTX] WSJT to N1MM Logging.

On 25/06/2020 01:21, Rick Ellison wrote:

Sometime tomorrow there will be either a new full build or an 
Experimental version of N1MM built for interaction with WSJT for the

upcoming Field Day.

  It was brought to the developers attention tonight that the 
Exchanges that WSJT-X used last year for logging the FD exchange 
information were not the same this year. So the class and section were 
not being logged correctly. I went back thru all of the revision notes 
for WSJT-X and I find this mentioned no place in those notes. This is 
not something that should have been missed a couple of days before the 
contest. Unless the N1MM team is notified of changes that need to be 
made there would have been a lot of un happy users this weekend.

73 Rick N2AMG

HI Rick,

that's a surprise to me. Can you summarize where you are seeing differences
please?

73
Bill
G4WJS.

I have a copy of X running on an SDR with another computer and for some reason the coloring/shading does not work as I expect. The CQs are showing in Green, but no worked B4 gray shading is happening.

I have checked the box in General > Show DXCC , Worked Status....and the default coloring has been checked.

I copied my main wsjt-x adi log from my other machine, and told the SDR copy with X to Rescan the adif log, which it does and shows 1428 worked b4 records created.

However, when I actually watch decodes on both machines, the main machine shows worked b4 as expected while the SDR machine with the exact sme decode does not show ANY worked B4.

What am I doing wrong?

73, N0AN

Hasan

From: main@WSJTX.groups.io [mailto:main@WSJTX.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sam Birnbaum via groups.io
Sent: 25. kesäkuuta 2020 18:33
To: main@WSJTX.groups.io
Subject: Re: [WSJTX] Should I have to enter CLASS and SECTION for every contact when I have Advanced>>Special Operating Activity>>ARRL Field Day selected? #log_issues

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Somerville <g4wjs@...>
To: main <main@WSJTX.groups.io>
Sent: Thu, Jun 25, 2020 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: [WSJTX] Should I have to enter CLASS and SECTION for every contact when I have Advanced>>Special Operating Activity>>ARRL Field Day selected? #log_issues