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Bill, It definitely looks like it helps to set the polling frequency higher. I have set it to 30 seconds. The problem then comes much more seldom. When it does it is often immediately after I double click on a station to answer a CQ call and seconds before the RTS line and hence the transmitter is even activated. So it definitely has nothing to do with RFI. Now any computer has a few mV of noise on the comport lines. In my case only the RTS line is even connected. So if it is noise that occasionally triggers it this means that HAMLIB and / or WSJ-X (due to the way it has been integrated) is polling the com line for a radio that is not configured and not connected. So this is definitely a bug. When Radio: None has been configured there should be no polling Can you mention this to the HAMLIB people perhaps, or should I? How do I eventually contact them? I will now try and install a couple of 100 nF capacitors from pins 2 and 3 to pin 5. I see on the oscilloscope that this attenuates the noise present. Its only a few mV and this is way below the threshold on an RS232 line so it could be pulses occurring now and then due to some WIN thingy and 100 nF may not be enough so I am dubious that this will help. But I think it should not be this way anyway. 73 de LA3PU Svein.
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From: main@WSJTX.groups.io <main@WSJTX.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill Somerville Sent: tirsdag 25. august 2020 19:52 To: main@WSJTX.groups.io Subject: Re: [WSJTX] Rig Control error On 25/08/2020 18:46, Svein Henriksen wrote: Bill, This morning everything started up without problems and has worked for some QSOs without failing. But just now, a few minutes after finishing a QSO on FT8, the POPUP window appears. Rig Error: Do you want to configure the radio interface? On pressing Details: it says: HAMLIB error: IO error while opening connection to the rig. Pressing retry and it goes back to working normally. There is only one COM port (COM1) ant it is used for PTT with RTS. No rig connected and in setup rig is set to none. Nothing connected to any of the USB ports. The WSJT-X is V2.2.2. On the old computer I was running 2.2.0. Setup the same. Only one COM port and nothing else connected. I never had this, or any other, problem while using this. Maybe I need to roll back to 2.2.0. I seam to remember having read similar reports with regard to HAMLIB on the reflector after the release of 2.2.2. Is the old versions available on Princeton and any special precautions if rolling back? Any other suggestions? 73 de LA3PU Svein
Hi Svein, that sounds like RFI problems, does it only happen during QSOs on one band? Does reducing your transmitter power improve the situation? As you say nothing is connected to your PC USB ports I assume this is a real serial port, you could try some ferrite clip on chokes at the PC end of the serial cable, or maybe just re-routing the serial cable to the rig. What interface are you using for the RTS to PTT switching, and where does it draw power from? 73
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Bob,
WSJT-X v2.1.2 supports Windows XP and
newer.
73
Bill
G4WJS.
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Will be upgrading to 2.1.2 when I
get set up with my recently purchased WIN 10 computer.
I have been using a laptop with XP.
Have had not issues; but have to
move up if I want to use the latest versions of ham
software…
Bob, W1EQ
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On 27/08/2020 00:20, Bob Garceau wrote:
I’m still using WSJT-X
v2.1.0
Can I still use NA VHF in
the contest?
Bob, W1EQ
Hi Bob,
v2.1.2 is more current of you are working around issues in
v2.2.2, but yes you should be OK.
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Hi Bob, v2.1.2 is more current of you are working around issues in v2.2.2, but yes you should be OK. 73
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On 27/08/2020 00:20, Bob Garceau wrote:
I’m
still using WSJT-X v2.1.0
Can
I still use NA VHF in the contest?
Bob,
W1EQ
Hi Bob,
v2.1.2 is more current of you are working around issues in
v2.2.2, but yes you should be OK.
73
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Hotkeys/shortcuts to the FT4 and FT8 mode menus
ja1nlx <ayoshida0205@...>
Hello
Is it possible to add Hotkeys/Shortcuts for mode selection ? There are various Hotkeys/shortcuts supported.
HoweverI I can not find ones for mode selection.
It would be very useful for users who are not good in mouse operation.
Thanks in advance
73 de aki
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i just use W32TM a built in command line tool in windows, point it at uk.pool.ntp.org (or your local pool) out on the internet for time, set this as a windows scheduled task to run on system start up, run with admin priviledge and repeat every 10 minutes simple no third party tools keeps my pc within about 0.2 - 0.3 seconds well within the recommended 1 sec deviation recommended peter ___________________________________________ This email has been scanned by iomartcloud. http://www.iomartcloud.com/
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I use BktTimeSynv by IZ2BKT and a cheap GPS module. Works fine
for me. My GPS unit was advertised as a GPS "antenna" so be careful of the
nomenclature.
Marion K4GOK
On Wed, 26 Aug 2020 14:43:01 -0400 "B. Smith via groups.io" < bill.n3xl@...>
writes:
BktTimeSynv by IZ2BKT is free and will connect to your GPS
puck OR a time server if internet is available. . Mine syncs time on PC
startup and when I start Log4OM logger. It will use GPS if the time server
isn’t available.
73, Bill N3XL
Amos, you seem to want good but simple. I use the GlobalSat
BU-353-S4 GPS puck and VisualGPS NMeatime2 software. The software is FREE for
30 days & then $20.48US so you can try it out and see if you like it. The
puck is about 30.00US from Amazon. Easy set up once. Never have to tough it
again
FYI I have made thousands of
contacts using FT8 and FT4 No learning curve for the time sync.
On Aug 26, 2020, at 10:12 AM,
Amos Sobel 4X4MF <asobel@...>
wrote:
Alan
Thank you for the explanation.
I know GPS since 1982 but I am not updated any
more.
I will look into the problem again and let you know if I
need additional help.
Amos 4X4MF
From: main@WSJTX.groups.io
<main@WSJTX.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Biocca
Sent:
Wednesday, August 26, 2020 7:29 AM
To: main@WSJTX.groups.io Group
Moderators <main@wsjtx.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [WSJTX]
computer clock synchronization
There are some videos on the net on how to use a USB GPS.
(BktTimeSync has a built in way to read a serial GPS in Windows which I have
not tested). I would not go that way because the USB dongles rarely have the
Pulse Per Second output. So you get time that is output in serial somewhat
randomly once per second, and you don't really know when the second ends,
which is barely good enough for WSJTx. You could use it but it is so much
better to use a serial GPS which has a PPS output. However a PC is not
really set up to take the PPS signal. It is a very short pulse and Windows
isn't set up to do real time pulse reception. I've done it with both Arduino
and Raspberry Pi. The Raspberry Pi is the better choice because it has
networking and WiFi and being Linux it can run all the standard software for
NTP that has been written and tested for so long so there is no software to
write. I did it with the Arduino and made it a USB peripheral (the FDLog
Clock) but I had to write software for that, and the Raspberry Pi is much
easier and better in many ways. There are quite a few articles on making a
Raspberry Pi NTP server on the network. The Pi Zero W makes a great server
and is very low cost. It works better than Windows and is easier. Contact me
by direct email if you want to see part of the article I'm working on, it is
pretty well along.
w6akb at ARRL dot net for direct email should get to
me
On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 11:44 AM Amos Sobel 4X4MF <asobel@...>
wrote:
Alan
Please
make it simple.
Is
there a way to turn my station’s PC, running WSJT-X, into an NTP server
using a GPS dongle?
Which
dongle and which software?
Amos
4X4MF
From:
main@WSJTX.groups.io <main@WSJTX.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan
Biocca
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2020 7:31 PM
To: main@WSJTX.groups.io
Group Moderators <main@wsjtx.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [WSJTX]
computer clock synchronization
This
shows two local GPS module based NTP servers running on a Raspberry Pi vs
cloudflare. A Raspberry Pi Zero W at ten dollars plus a cheap GPS module
with PPS makes a simple and inexpensive NTP server for your
local network. The other server here is a Pi 3B+ which also has a web
server causing it to have slightly more jitter some of the time. The
display (below) is from the Meinberg NTP monitor on a laptop which
currently shows well under 1 millisecond of offset and under 7
milliseconds of delay via two wireless hops (the Pi's and Laptop are all
on Wireless). I'm working on an article showing how to set this
up.
On
Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 8:52 AM Amos Sobel 4X4MF <asobel@...> wrote:
Bill
and Bruce
Thanks
for the help.
See
below my NTP on Quick NTP Status
Offset
does vary between 70 and 300mSec. D4 did better but this one
doesn’t fail. I did add 8 pools to the pool list.
Amos
4X4MF
On
24/08/2020 21:59, Amos Sobel 4X4MF wrote:
Bill
and Bruce
I
did remove D4 and did install NTP which is said to synchronize time
too.
It
does seem to run but I did not find any operators panel to see if it
works properly.
Any
help about NTP/NTPD is welcome.
Amos
4X4MF
Hi Amos,
if you are referring to the Meinberg NTP Client then you will have a
tool called Quick NTP Status on the Windows start menu (hit the WIndows
key and start typing Quick until you see it). It lists the servers
selected for synchronization, if one is locked it will be prefixed with
a '*', it may take a few minutes to synchronize, and a day or so to get
really good sync. The last but one column (offset) is the difference
between your clock and the server's clock, in milliseconds.
73
Bill
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Bill Somerville
On 26/08/2020 19:22, n6vl via groups.io wrote: I've finally been able to talk to WSJT-X through the UDP interface both directions! I'm using the default port of 2237 in Settings > Reporting.
However I can't open more than one client listening at port 2237. Perhaps this is normal? I've read about multicasting on this group but only in passing.
Is it normal to have only one listener on a UDP port? Or is it a function of my network stack? In my case it's System.Net.Sockets in the .NET framework.
73 de Steve N6VL Hi Steve, first let me say that I think you have misunderstood client and server in this relationship. WSJT-X is the client and your application is the server. These are rather loose terms with UDP networking but I tend to think of the application listening on the well known port (2237 in this case) as the server. As with all normal client-server relationships there can be many clients but normally only one server per IP address and service port pair. This is similar to web servers for example, a server may run at an address on a well known port (port 80 for web servers), and any number of clients can request pages from that server. With the WSJT-X UDP Message Protocol the situation is the same, any number of WSJT-X instances can talk to the same server. Each WSJT-X instance will communicate using its own unique IP address and service port pair (probably 127.0.0.1 and an ephemeral port in your case). The WSJT-X UDP Message Protocol is also designed to allow multiple *servers* to interoperate with one or more WSJT-X instances by using the same service port, this is enabled by using multicast UDP. To use multicast UDP each server must join a pre-arranged multicast group address, say 239.255.0.0 for example. Each WSJT-X instance is then configured to send traffic to that multicast group address rather than the address of a single server. With multicast each message sent to a group address is delivered to each and every server that has joined that group. If there are multiple servers joining a multicast group *and* they are running on the same host, and binding to the same service port; then they must all set the SO_REUSEADDR socket option before binding the port otherwise they will block other applications binding to the same port. Note that this is not a multicast requirement, just one that is needed for multiple applications running on the same host to bind the same service port. 73 Bill G4WJS.
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Yes Amos, if you go to www.visualgps.net and scroll down the page to the NMeat2 section it kind of explains it. One caution, when and if you order the Puck make sure you order the USB connector if it is going to be a usb connection.
If you have any other problems or questions free to contact me direct or via the blog. I got a gps unit for operations at the family cottage in Canada where there is no internet. Liked it so much, it is all I use now.
Good luck, Be safe
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On Aug 26, 2020, at 2:23 PM, Amos Sobel 4X4MF <asobel@...> wrote:
Bob Your suggestion is very much in line with my approach, However, I have not been able to establish that the BU-353-S4 is compatible with NMeatime2 except for both mention NEMA 0183. Is that enough? Does the BU have the accurate time signal of GPS? How come VisualGPS does not mention any specific hardware? Amos 4X4MF From: main@WSJTX.groups.io <main@WSJTX.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rob Kivell
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 9:10 PM
To: main@wsjtx.groups.io
Subject: Re: [WSJTX] computer clock synchronization Amos, you seem to want good but simple. I use the GlobalSat BU-353-S4 GPS puck and VisualGPS NMeatime2 software. The software is FREE for 30 days & then $20.48US so you can try it out and see if you like it. The puck is about 30.00US from Amazon. Easy set up once. Never have to tough it again FYI I have made thousands of contacts using FT8 and FT4 No learning curve for the time sync.
On Aug 26, 2020, at 10:12 AM, Amos Sobel 4X4MF <asobel@...> wrote:
Alan Thank you for the explanation. I know GPS since 1982 but I am not updated any more. I will look into the problem again and let you know if I need additional help. Amos 4X4MF From: main@WSJTX.groups.io <main@WSJTX.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Biocca
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 7:29 AM
To: main@WSJTX.groups.io Group Moderators <main@wsjtx.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [WSJTX] computer clock synchronization There are some videos on the net on how to use a USB GPS. (BktTimeSync has a built in way to read a serial GPS in Windows which I have not tested). I would not go that way because the USB dongles rarely have the Pulse Per Second output. So you get time that is output in serial somewhat randomly once per second, and you don't really know when the second ends, which is barely good enough for WSJTx. You could use it but it is so much better to use a serial GPS which has a PPS output. However a PC is not really set up to take the PPS signal. It is a very short pulse and Windows isn't set up to do real time pulse reception. I've done it with both Arduino and Raspberry Pi. The Raspberry Pi is the better choice because it has networking and WiFi and being Linux it can run all the standard software for NTP that has been written and tested for so long so there is no software to write. I did it with the Arduino and made it a USB peripheral (the FDLog Clock) but I had to write software for that, and the Raspberry Pi is much easier and better in many ways. There are quite a few articles on making a Raspberry Pi NTP server on the network. The Pi Zero W makes a great server and is very low cost. It works better than Windows and is easier. Contact me by direct email if you want to see part of the article I'm working on, it is pretty well along. w6akb at ARRL dot net for direct email should get to me On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 11:44 AM Amos Sobel 4X4MF <asobel@...> wrote: Alan Please make it simple. Is there a way to turn my station’s PC, running WSJT-X, into an NTP server using a GPS dongle? Which dongle and which software? Amos 4X4MF From: main@WSJTX.groups.io <main@WSJTX.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Biocca
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2020 7:31 PM
To: main@WSJTX.groups.io Group Moderators <main@wsjtx.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [WSJTX] computer clock synchronization This shows two local GPS module based NTP servers running on a Raspberry Pi vs cloudflare. A Raspberry Pi Zero W at ten dollars plus a cheap GPS module with PPS makes a simple and inexpensive NTP server for your local network. The other server here is a Pi 3B+ which also has a web server causing it to have slightly more jitter some of the time. The display (below) is from the Meinberg NTP monitor on a laptop which currently shows well under 1 millisecond of offset and under 7 milliseconds of delay via two wireless hops (the Pi's and Laptop are all on Wireless). I'm working on an article showing how to set this up. On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 8:52 AM Amos Sobel 4X4MF <asobel@...> wrote: Bill and Bruce Thanks for the help. See below my NTP on Quick NTP Status Offset does vary between 70 and 300mSec. D4 did better but this one doesn’t fail. I did add 8 pools to the pool list. Amos 4X4MF On 24/08/2020 21:59, Amos Sobel 4X4MF wrote: Bill and Bruce I did remove D4 and did install NTP which is said to synchronize time too. It does seem to run but I did not find any operators panel to see if it works properly. Any help about NTP/NTPD is welcome. Amos 4X4MF
Hi Amos, if you are referring to the Meinberg NTP Client then you will have a tool called Quick NTP Status on the Windows start menu (hit the WIndows key and start typing Quick until you see it). It lists the servers selected for synchronization, if one is locked it will be prefixed with a '*', it may take a few minutes to synchronize, and a day or so to get really good sync. The last but one column (offset) is the difference between your clock and the server's clock, in milliseconds. 73
Bill
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Amos, I think that those softwares use NEMA 0183 ’sentences’ for time synchronization, not 1 s pulses. In that case almost any GPS receiver is fine. Accuracy is still more than adequate for FT8 and FT4 purposes. 73, Reino OH3mA
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From: main@WSJTX.groups.io [mailto:main@WSJTX.groups.io] On Behalf Of Amos Sobel 4X4MF
Sent: 26. elokuuta 2020 22:24
To: main@WSJTX.groups.io
Subject: Re: [WSJTX] computer clock synchronization Bob Your suggestion is very much in line with my approach, However, I have not been able to establish that the BU-353-S4 is compatible with NMeatime2 except for both mention NEMA 0183. Is that enough? Does the BU have the accurate time signal of GPS? How come VisualGPS does not mention any specific hardware? Amos 4X4MF Amos, you seem to want good but simple. I use the GlobalSat BU-353-S4 GPS puck and VisualGPS NMeatime2 software. The software is FREE for 30 days & then $20.48US so you can try it out and see if you like it. The puck is about 30.00US from Amazon. Easy set up once. Never have to tough it again FYI I have made thousands of contacts using FT8 and FT4 No learning curve for the time sync. On Aug 26, 2020, at 10:12 AM, Amos Sobel 4X4MF <asobel@...> wrote:
Alan Thank you for the explanation. I know GPS since 1982 but I am not updated any more. I will look into the problem again and let you know if I need additional help. Amos 4X4MF From: main@WSJTX.groups.io <main@WSJTX.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Biocca
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 7:29 AM
To: main@WSJTX.groups.io Group Moderators <main@wsjtx.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [WSJTX] computer clock synchronization There are some videos on the net on how to use a USB GPS. (BktTimeSync has a built in way to read a serial GPS in Windows which I have not tested). I would not go that way because the USB dongles rarely have the Pulse Per Second output. So you get time that is output in serial somewhat randomly once per second, and you don't really know when the second ends, which is barely good enough for WSJTx. You could use it but it is so much better to use a serial GPS which has a PPS output. However a PC is not really set up to take the PPS signal. It is a very short pulse and Windows isn't set up to do real time pulse reception. I've done it with both Arduino and Raspberry Pi. The Raspberry Pi is the better choice because it has networking and WiFi and being Linux it can run all the standard software for NTP that has been written and tested for so long so there is no software to write. I did it with the Arduino and made it a USB peripheral (the FDLog Clock) but I had to write software for that, and the Raspberry Pi is much easier and better in many ways. There are quite a few articles on making a Raspberry Pi NTP server on the network. The Pi Zero W makes a great server and is very low cost. It works better than Windows and is easier. Contact me by direct email if you want to see part of the article I'm working on, it is pretty well along. w6akb at ARRL dot net for direct email should get to me On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 11:44 AM Amos Sobel 4X4MF <asobel@...> wrote: Alan Please make it simple. Is there a way to turn my station’s PC, running WSJT-X, into an NTP server using a GPS dongle? Which dongle and which software? Amos 4X4MF From: main@WSJTX.groups.io <main@WSJTX.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Biocca
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2020 7:31 PM
To: main@WSJTX.groups.io Group Moderators <main@wsjtx.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [WSJTX] computer clock synchronization This shows two local GPS module based NTP servers running on a Raspberry Pi vs cloudflare. A Raspberry Pi Zero W at ten dollars plus a cheap GPS module with PPS makes a simple and inexpensive NTP server for your local network. The other server here is a Pi 3B+ which also has a web server causing it to have slightly more jitter some of the time. The display (below) is from the Meinberg NTP monitor on a laptop which currently shows well under 1 millisecond of offset and under 7 milliseconds of delay via two wireless hops (the Pi's and Laptop are all on Wireless). I'm working on an article showing how to set this up. On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 8:52 AM Amos Sobel 4X4MF <asobel@...> wrote: Bill and Bruce Thanks for the help. See below my NTP on Quick NTP Status Offset does vary between 70 and 300mSec. D4 did better but this one doesn’t fail. I did add 8 pools to the pool list. Amos 4X4MF On 24/08/2020 21:59, Amos Sobel 4X4MF wrote: Bill and Bruce I did remove D4 and did install NTP which is said to synchronize time too. It does seem to run but I did not find any operators panel to see if it works properly. Any help about NTP/NTPD is welcome. Amos 4X4MF
Hi Amos, if you are referring to the Meinberg NTP Client then you will have a tool called Quick NTP Status on the Windows start menu (hit the WIndows key and start typing Quick until you see it). It lists the servers selected for synchronization, if one is locked it will be prefixed with a '*', it may take a few minutes to synchronize, and a day or so to get really good sync. The last but one column (offset) is the difference between your clock and the server's clock, in milliseconds. 73
Bill
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Bob Your suggestion is very much in line with my approach, However, I have not been able to establish that the BU-353-S4 is compatible with NMeatime2 except for both mention NEMA 0183. Is that enough? Does the BU have the accurate time signal of GPS? How come VisualGPS does not mention any specific hardware? Amos 4X4MF
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From: main@WSJTX.groups.io <main@WSJTX.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rob Kivell Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 9:10 PM To: main@wsjtx.groups.io Subject: Re: [WSJTX] computer clock synchronization Amos, you seem to want good but simple. I use the GlobalSat BU-353-S4 GPS puck and VisualGPS NMeatime2 software. The software is FREE for 30 days & then $20.48US so you can try it out and see if you like it. The puck is about 30.00US from Amazon. Easy set up once. Never have to tough it again FYI I have made thousands of contacts using FT8 and FT4 No learning curve for the time sync.
On Aug 26, 2020, at 10:12 AM, Amos Sobel 4X4MF <asobel@...> wrote:
Alan Thank you for the explanation. I know GPS since 1982 but I am not updated any more. I will look into the problem again and let you know if I need additional help. Amos 4X4MF From: main@WSJTX.groups.io <main@WSJTX.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Biocca
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 7:29 AM
To: main@WSJTX.groups.io Group Moderators <main@wsjtx.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [WSJTX] computer clock synchronization There are some videos on the net on how to use a USB GPS. (BktTimeSync has a built in way to read a serial GPS in Windows which I have not tested). I would not go that way because the USB dongles rarely have the Pulse Per Second output. So you get time that is output in serial somewhat randomly once per second, and you don't really know when the second ends, which is barely good enough for WSJTx. You could use it but it is so much better to use a serial GPS which has a PPS output. However a PC is not really set up to take the PPS signal. It is a very short pulse and Windows isn't set up to do real time pulse reception. I've done it with both Arduino and Raspberry Pi. The Raspberry Pi is the better choice because it has networking and WiFi and being Linux it can run all the standard software for NTP that has been written and tested for so long so there is no software to write. I did it with the Arduino and made it a USB peripheral (the FDLog Clock) but I had to write software for that, and the Raspberry Pi is much easier and better in many ways. There are quite a few articles on making a Raspberry Pi NTP server on the network. The Pi Zero W makes a great server and is very low cost. It works better than Windows and is easier. Contact me by direct email if you want to see part of the article I'm working on, it is pretty well along. w6akb at ARRL dot net for direct email should get to me On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 11:44 AM Amos Sobel 4X4MF <asobel@...> wrote: Alan Please make it simple. Is there a way to turn my station’s PC, running WSJT-X, into an NTP server using a GPS dongle? Which dongle and which software? Amos 4X4MF From: main@WSJTX.groups.io <main@WSJTX.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Biocca
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2020 7:31 PM
To: main@WSJTX.groups.io Group Moderators <main@wsjtx.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [WSJTX] computer clock synchronization This shows two local GPS module based NTP servers running on a Raspberry Pi vs cloudflare. A Raspberry Pi Zero W at ten dollars plus a cheap GPS module with PPS makes a simple and inexpensive NTP server for your local network. The other server here is a Pi 3B+ which also has a web server causing it to have slightly more jitter some of the time. The display (below) is from the Meinberg NTP monitor on a laptop which currently shows well under 1 millisecond of offset and under 7 milliseconds of delay via two wireless hops (the Pi's and Laptop are all on Wireless). I'm working on an article showing how to set this up. On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 8:52 AM Amos Sobel 4X4MF <asobel@...> wrote: Bill and Bruce Thanks for the help. See below my NTP on Quick NTP Status Offset does vary between 70 and 300mSec. D4 did better but this one doesn’t fail. I did add 8 pools to the pool list. Amos 4X4MF On 24/08/2020 21:59, Amos Sobel 4X4MF wrote: Bill and Bruce I did remove D4 and did install NTP which is said to synchronize time too. It does seem to run but I did not find any operators panel to see if it works properly. Any help about NTP/NTPD is welcome. Amos 4X4MF
Hi Amos, if you are referring to the Meinberg NTP Client then you will have a tool called Quick NTP Status on the Windows start menu (hit the WIndows key and start typing Quick until you see it). It lists the servers selected for synchronization, if one is locked it will be prefixed with a '*', it may take a few minutes to synchronize, and a day or so to get really good sync. The last but one column (offset) is the difference between your clock and the server's clock, in milliseconds. 73
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Re: computer clock synchronization
BktTimeSynv by IZ2BKT is free and will connect to your GPS puck OR a time server if internet is available. . Mine syncs time on PC startup and when I start Log4OM logger. It will use GPS if the time server isn’t available. 73, Bill N3XL
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From: Rob KivellSent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 14:09 PM To: main@wsjtx.groups.ioSubject: Re: [WSJTX] computer clock synchronization Amos, you seem to want good but simple. I use the GlobalSat BU-353-S4 GPS puck and VisualGPS NMeatime2 software. The software is FREE for 30 days & then $20.48US so you can try it out and see if you like it. The puck is about 30.00US from Amazon. Easy set up once. Never have to tough it again FYI I have made thousands of contacts using FT8 and FT4 No learning curve for the time sync.
On Aug 26, 2020, at 10:12 AM, Amos Sobel 4X4MF <asobel@...> wrote:
Alan Thank you for the explanation. I know GPS since 1982 but I am not updated any more. I will look into the problem again and let you know if I need additional help. Amos 4X4MF From: main@WSJTX.groups.io <main@WSJTX.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Biocca
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To: main@WSJTX.groups.io Group Moderators <main@wsjtx.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [WSJTX] computer clock synchronization There are some videos on the net on how to use a USB GPS. (BktTimeSync has a built in way to read a serial GPS in Windows which I have not tested). I would not go that way because the USB dongles rarely have the Pulse Per Second output. So you get time that is output in serial somewhat randomly once per second, and you don't really know when the second ends, which is barely good enough for WSJTx. You could use it but it is so much better to use a serial GPS which has a PPS output. However a PC is not really set up to take the PPS signal. It is a very short pulse and Windows isn't set up to do real time pulse reception. I've done it with both Arduino and Raspberry Pi. The Raspberry Pi is the better choice because it has networking and WiFi and being Linux it can run all the standard software for NTP that has been written and tested for so long so there is no software to write. I did it with the Arduino and made it a USB peripheral (the FDLog Clock) but I had to write software for that, and the Raspberry Pi is much easier and better in many ways. There are quite a few articles on making a Raspberry Pi NTP server on the network. The Pi Zero W makes a great server and is very low cost. It works better than Windows and is easier. Contact me by direct email if you want to see part of the article I'm working on, it is pretty well along. w6akb at ARRL dot net for direct email should get to me On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 11:44 AM Amos Sobel 4X4MF <asobel@...> wrote: Alan Please make it simple. Is there a way to turn my station’s PC, running WSJT-X, into an NTP server using a GPS dongle? Which dongle and which software? Amos 4X4MF From: main@WSJTX.groups.io <main@WSJTX.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Biocca
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Subject: Re: [WSJTX] computer clock synchronization This shows two local GPS module based NTP servers running on a Raspberry Pi vs cloudflare. A Raspberry Pi Zero W at ten dollars plus a cheap GPS module with PPS makes a simple and inexpensive NTP server for your local network. The other server here is a Pi 3B+ which also has a web server causing it to have slightly more jitter some of the time. The display (below) is from the Meinberg NTP monitor on a laptop which currently shows well under 1 millisecond of offset and under 7 milliseconds of delay via two wireless hops (the Pi's and Laptop are all on Wireless). I'm working on an article showing how to set this up. On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 8:52 AM Amos Sobel 4X4MF <asobel@...> wrote: Bill and Bruce Thanks for the help. See below my NTP on Quick NTP Status Offset does vary between 70 and 300mSec. D4 did better but this one doesn’t fail. I did add 8 pools to the pool list. Amos 4X4MF On 24/08/2020 21:59, Amos Sobel 4X4MF wrote: Bill and Bruce I did remove D4 and did install NTP which is said to synchronize time too. It does seem to run but I did not find any operators panel to see if it works properly. Any help about NTP/NTPD is welcome. Amos 4X4MF
Hi Amos, if you are referring to the Meinberg NTP Client then you will have a tool called Quick NTP Status on the Windows start menu (hit the WIndows key and start typing Quick until you see it). It lists the servers selected for synchronization, if one is locked it will be prefixed with a '*', it may take a few minutes to synchronize, and a day or so to get really good sync. The last but one column (offset) is the difference between your clock and the server's clock, in milliseconds. 73
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More than one UDP client?
I've finally been able get my code to talk to WSJT-X through the UDP interface both directions! I'm using the default port of 2237 in Settings > Reporting.
However I can't open more than one client listening at port 2237. Perhaps this is normal? I've read about multicasting on this group but only in passing.
Is it normal to have only one listener on a UDP port? Or is it a function of my network stack? In my case it's System.Net.Sockets in the .NET framework.
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Re: computer clock synchronization
Amos, you seem to want good but simple. I use the GlobalSat BU-353-S4 GPS puck and VisualGPS NMeatime2 software. The software is FREE for 30 days & then $20.48US so you can try it out and see if you like it. The puck is about 30.00US from Amazon. Easy set up once. Never have to tough it again
Rob kk4eun
FYI I have made thousands of contacts using FT8 and FT4 No learning curve for the time sync.
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On Aug 26, 2020, at 10:12 AM, Amos Sobel 4X4MF <asobel@...> wrote:
Alan Thank you for the explanation. I know GPS since 1982 but I am not updated any more. I will look into the problem again and let you know if I need additional help. Amos 4X4MF From: main@WSJTX.groups.io <main@WSJTX.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Biocca
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 7:29 AM
To: main@WSJTX.groups.io Group Moderators <main@wsjtx.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [WSJTX] computer clock synchronization There are some videos on the net on how to use a USB GPS. (BktTimeSync has a built in way to read a serial GPS in Windows which I have not tested). I would not go that way because the USB dongles rarely have the Pulse Per Second output. So you get time that is output in serial somewhat randomly once per second, and you don't really know when the second ends, which is barely good enough for WSJTx. You could use it but it is so much better to use a serial GPS which has a PPS output. However a PC is not really set up to take the PPS signal. It is a very short pulse and Windows isn't set up to do real time pulse reception. I've done it with both Arduino and Raspberry Pi. The Raspberry Pi is the better choice because it has networking and WiFi and being Linux it can run all the standard software for NTP that has been written and tested for so long so there is no software to write. I did it with the Arduino and made it a USB peripheral (the FDLog Clock) but I had to write software for that, and the Raspberry Pi is much easier and better in many ways. There are quite a few articles on making a Raspberry Pi NTP server on the network. The Pi Zero W makes a great server and is very low cost. It works better than Windows and is easier. Contact me by direct email if you want to see part of the article I'm working on, it is pretty well along. w6akb at ARRL dot net for direct email should get to me On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 11:44 AM Amos Sobel 4X4MF <asobel@...> wrote: Alan Please make it simple. Is there a way to turn my station’s PC, running WSJT-X, into an NTP server using a GPS dongle? Which dongle and which software? Amos 4X4MF From: main@WSJTX.groups.io <main@WSJTX.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Biocca
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To: main@WSJTX.groups.io Group Moderators <main@wsjtx.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [WSJTX] computer clock synchronization This shows two local GPS module based NTP servers running on a Raspberry Pi vs cloudflare. A Raspberry Pi Zero W at ten dollars plus a cheap GPS module with PPS makes a simple and inexpensive NTP server for your local network. The other server here is a Pi 3B+ which also has a web server causing it to have slightly more jitter some of the time. The display (below) is from the Meinberg NTP monitor on a laptop which currently shows well under 1 millisecond of offset and under 7 milliseconds of delay via two wireless hops (the Pi's and Laptop are all on Wireless). I'm working on an article showing how to set this up. On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 8:52 AM Amos Sobel 4X4MF <asobel@...> wrote: Bill and Bruce Thanks for the help. See below my NTP on Quick NTP Status <image002.png> Offset does vary between 70 and 300mSec. D4 did better but this one doesn’t fail. I did add 8 pools to the pool list. Amos 4X4MF On 24/08/2020 21:59, Amos Sobel 4X4MF wrote: Bill and Bruce I did remove D4 and did install NTP which is said to synchronize time too. It does seem to run but I did not find any operators panel to see if it works properly. Any help about NTP/NTPD is welcome. Amos 4X4MF
Hi Amos, if you are referring to the Meinberg NTP Client then you will have a tool called Quick NTP Status on the Windows start menu (hit the WIndows key and start typing Quick until you see it). It lists the servers selected for synchronization, if one is locked it will be prefixed with a '*', it may take a few minutes to synchronize, and a day or so to get really good sync. The last but one column (offset) is the difference between your clock and the server's clock, in milliseconds. 73
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Alan Thank you for the explanation. I know GPS since 1982 but I am not updated any more. I will look into the problem again and let you know if I need additional help. Amos 4X4MF
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From: main@WSJTX.groups.io <main@WSJTX.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Biocca
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 7:29 AM
To: main@WSJTX.groups.io Group Moderators <main@wsjtx.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [WSJTX] computer clock synchronization There are some videos on the net on how to use a USB GPS. (BktTimeSync has a built in way to read a serial GPS in Windows which I have not tested). I would not go that way because the USB dongles rarely have the Pulse Per Second output. So you get time that is output in serial somewhat randomly once per second, and you don't really know when the second ends, which is barely good enough for WSJTx. You could use it but it is so much better to use a serial GPS which has a PPS output. However a PC is not really set up to take the PPS signal. It is a very short pulse and Windows isn't set up to do real time pulse reception. I've done it with both Arduino and Raspberry Pi. The Raspberry Pi is the better choice because it has networking and WiFi and being Linux it can run all the standard software for NTP that has been written and tested for so long so there is no software to write. I did it with the Arduino and made it a USB peripheral (the FDLog Clock) but I had to write software for that, and the Raspberry Pi is much easier and better in many ways. There are quite a few articles on making a Raspberry Pi NTP server on the network. The Pi Zero W makes a great server and is very low cost. It works better than Windows and is easier. Contact me by direct email if you want to see part of the article I'm working on, it is pretty well along. w6akb at ARRL dot net for direct email should get to me On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 11:44 AM Amos Sobel 4X4MF <asobel@...> wrote: Alan Please make it simple. Is there a way to turn my station’s PC, running WSJT-X, into an NTP server using a GPS dongle? Which dongle and which software? Amos 4X4MF From: main@WSJTX.groups.io <main@WSJTX.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Biocca
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2020 7:31 PM
To: main@WSJTX.groups.io Group Moderators <main@wsjtx.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [WSJTX] computer clock synchronization This shows two local GPS module based NTP servers running on a Raspberry Pi vs cloudflare. A Raspberry Pi Zero W at ten dollars plus a cheap GPS module with PPS makes a simple and inexpensive NTP server for your local network. The other server here is a Pi 3B+ which also has a web server causing it to have slightly more jitter some of the time. The display (below) is from the Meinberg NTP monitor on a laptop which currently shows well under 1 millisecond of offset and under 7 milliseconds of delay via two wireless hops (the Pi's and Laptop are all on Wireless). I'm working on an article showing how to set this up. On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 8:52 AM Amos Sobel 4X4MF <asobel@...> wrote: Bill and Bruce Thanks for the help. See below my NTP on Quick NTP Status 
Offset does vary between 70 and 300mSec. D4 did better but this one doesn’t fail. I did add 8 pools to the pool list. Amos 4X4MF On 24/08/2020 21:59, Amos Sobel 4X4MF wrote: Bill and Bruce I did remove D4 and did install NTP which is said to synchronize time too. It does seem to run but I did not find any operators panel to see if it works properly. Any help about NTP/NTPD is welcome. Amos 4X4MF
Hi Amos, if you are referring to the Meinberg NTP Client then you will have a tool called Quick NTP Status on the Windows start menu (hit the WIndows key and start typing Quick until you see it). It lists the servers selected for synchronization, if one is locked it will be prefixed with a '*', it may take a few minutes to synchronize, and a day or so to get really good sync. The last but one column (offset) is the difference between your clock and the server's clock, in milliseconds. 73
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Re: Setting up with FT450D
you can get them many places, amazon, newEgg, ebay etc.
You will not see any ports in device Manager, until the converter is installed
Dan KC2STA
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On 8/25/2020 6:51 AM, DAVID GRIFFITHS
wrote:
Hi Dale
Many thanks for the information. I am not familiar with the FTDI
usb cable. Where would I best be able to find one?
The other problem I am having is that I can't find any reference
to the Com Port on my Device Manager. I am using windows 10. Am
I looking in the wrong place? Any suggestions would be much
appreciated.
Kind regards
David Griffiths G4PKV
When you shop for USB to Serial cables just be sure that the chip
inside is an FTDI and not Prolific.
I always assume it is prolific unless they otherwise say in there
description.
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Bill,
Just now I worked 8 JA on 20m with a full 1 KW without problem. Then on the 9th QSO it pops up again. So high power, low power same problem. So RFI it is not. I found the install file for v2.2.0 on my old computer so I will try that later today. Higher polling seamed to help some as it took longer for the problem to appear, but this is way to inconclusive.
73 de LA3PU Svein
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On 25 Aug 2020, at 19:52, Bill Somerville < g4wjs@...> wrote:
On 25/08/2020 18:46, Svein Henriksen
wrote:
Bill,
This morning everything started up without
problems and has worked for some QSOs without failing.
But just now, a few minutes after finishing a
QSO on FT8, the POPUP window appears.
Rig Error: Do you want to configure the radio
interface?
On pressing Details: it says: HAMLIB error:
IO error while opening connection to the rig.
Pressing retry and it goes back to working
normally.
There is only one COM port (COM1) ant it is
used for PTT with RTS.
No rig connected and in setup rig is set to
none.
Nothing connected to any of the USB ports.
The WSJT-X is V2.2.2.
On the old computer I was running 2.2.0.
Setup the same. Only one COM port and nothing else connected.
I never had this, or any other, problem while
using this.
Maybe I need to roll back to 2.2.0.
I seam to remember having read similar
reports with regard to HAMLIB on the reflector after the release
of 2.2.2.
Is the old versions available on Princeton
and any special precautions if rolling back?
Any other suggestions?
73 de LA3PU Svein
Hi Svein,
that sounds like RFI problems, does it only happen during QSOs on
one band? Does reducing your transmitter power improve the
situation?
As you say nothing is connected to your PC USB ports I assume
this is a real serial port, you could try some ferrite clip on
chokes at the PC end of the serial cable, or maybe just re-routing
the serial cable to the rig. What interface are you using for the
RTS to PTT switching, and where does it draw power from?
73
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Re: computer clock synchronization
There are some videos on the net on how to use a USB GPS. (BktTimeSync has a built in way to read a serial GPS in Windows which I have not tested). I would not go that way because the USB dongles rarely have the Pulse Per Second output. So you get time that is output in serial somewhat randomly once per second, and you don't really know when the second ends, which is barely good enough for WSJTx. You could use it but it is so much better to use a serial GPS which has a PPS output. However a PC is not really set up to take the PPS signal. It is a very short pulse and Windows isn't set up to do real time pulse reception. I've done it with both Arduino and Raspberry Pi. The Raspberry Pi is the better choice because it has networking and WiFi and being Linux it can run all the standard software for NTP that has been written and tested for so long so there is no software to write. I did it with the Arduino and made it a USB peripheral (the FDLog Clock) but I had to write software for that, and the Raspberry Pi is much easier and better in many ways. There are quite a few articles on making a Raspberry Pi NTP server on the network. The Pi Zero W makes a great server and is very low cost. It works better than Windows and is easier. Contact me by direct email if you want to see part of the article I'm working on, it is pretty well along.
Regards, Alan
w6akb at ARRL dot net for direct email should get to me
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On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 11:44 AM Amos Sobel 4X4MF < asobel@...> wrote: Alan Please make it simple. Is there a way to turn my station’s PC, running WSJT-X, into an NTP server using a GPS dongle? Which dongle and which software? Amos 4X4MF From: main@WSJTX.groups.io <main@WSJTX.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Biocca
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2020 7:31 PM
To: main@WSJTX.groups.io Group Moderators <main@wsjtx.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [WSJTX] computer clock synchronization This shows two local GPS module based NTP servers running on a Raspberry Pi vs cloudflare. A Raspberry Pi Zero W at ten dollars plus a cheap GPS module with PPS makes a simple and inexpensive NTP server for your local network. The other server here is a Pi 3B+ which also has a web server causing it to have slightly more jitter some of the time. The display (below) is from the Meinberg NTP monitor on a laptop which currently shows well under 1 millisecond of offset and under 7 milliseconds of delay via two wireless hops (the Pi's and Laptop are all on Wireless). I'm working on an article showing how to set this up. On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 8:52 AM Amos Sobel 4X4MF <asobel@...> wrote: Bill and Bruce Thanks for the help. See below my NTP on Quick NTP Status 
Offset does vary between 70 and 300mSec. D4 did better but this one doesn’t fail. I did add 8 pools to the pool list. Amos 4X4MF On 24/08/2020 21:59, Amos Sobel 4X4MF wrote: Bill and Bruce I did remove D4 and did install NTP which is said to synchronize time too. It does seem to run but I did not find any operators panel to see if it works properly. Any help about NTP/NTPD is welcome. Amos 4X4MF
Hi Amos, if you are referring to the Meinberg NTP Client then you will have a tool called Quick NTP Status on the Windows start menu (hit the WIndows key and start typing Quick until you see it). It lists the servers selected for synchronization, if one is locked it will be prefixed with a '*', it may take a few minutes to synchronize, and a day or so to get really good sync. The last but one column (offset) is the difference between your clock and the server's clock, in milliseconds. 73
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Re: Files getting too big!
Thanks Karl (for the direct link) & others who suggested the notepad++.
Works great. Found what I needed.
Now just have to split file in two.
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On Tue, Aug 25, 2020, 4:37 PM Karl Beckman < wa8nvw@...> wrote: Notepad++ is a FREE text and source code editor for use with Microsoft Windows. It supports tabbed editing, which allows working with multiple open files in a single window. The project's name comes from the C increment operator. Notepad++ is distributed as free software. At first the project was hosted on SourceForge.net, from where it has been downloaded over 28 million times, and twice won the SourceForge Community Choice Award for Best Developer Tool. More at Wikipedia
Notepad ++ for Windows is currently at revision 7.87. Available for Win, Mac, and various Linux distros.
Current web site is notepad-plus-plus.org and downloads from notepad-plus-plus.org/downloads/
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