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locked Re: 60 meters: Operating guidelines for FT8

Hasan Schiers N0AN
 

From the ARRL:
These are channel-center frequencies, not the ones you tune your radio to. The NTIA told the FCC that hams "must assure that their signal is transmitted on the channel-center frequency." This means the amateur signal must be centered within the 2.8-kHz-wide channel. The FCC has provided scant guidance beyond suggesting--in a footnote that follows the NTIA's advice--that amateurs tune 1.5 kHz below the center-channel frequencies to be "on channel." Amateurs need to be sure that the tuning display readout reflects transmitted (ie, carrier) frequency (most do). Consult your transceiver's manual if you're not sure.

From the ARRL:
In addition, the FCC continues to require that all digital transmissions be centered on the channel-center frequencies, which the Report and Order defines as being 1.5 kHz above the suppressed carrier frequency of a transceiver operated in the Upper Sideband (USB) mode. This is typically the frequency shown on the frequency display.

(Note that this does not say 1580, 1320, 700, ...it says 1.5 kHz) my comment, not ARRL's)

http://www.arrl.org/60m-channel-allocation
"Operating at strict channel-center frequencies may come as a disappointment to many, but cooperating with the NTIA is key to expanded privileges in the future.
The channel center frequencies are":..snipped...60 meters

"Only one signal at a time is permitted on any channel." (From ARRL Band Poster)
http://www.arrl.org/files/file/Regulatory/Band%20Chart/Band%20Chart%20-%2011X17%20Color.pdf

More on Center of Channel ( 1500 Hz) Requirement:

"With your PSK31 software display configured to indicate audio frequencies, click your mouse cursor at the 1500 Hz mark (see below). With your radio in the USB mode, this marker indicates the center of the channel and it is the frequency on which you should be transmitting."

There is no special exemption for FT8, the same center channel rule applies.

In Summary from the ARRL:

1. Only one station may transmit at a time.
2. They must be at he CENTER of the allocated channel (1500 Hz)
3. NTIA has defined "on channel" as precisely 1.5 kHz below the assigned channel frequency.

These are highly restrictive and have NOT been enforced. I posted my initial "Be Careful" message, because I was warned by someone familiar with the upcoming ARRL take-over of the FCC certified Monitoring Program, that once the new program had officially started : ENFORCEMENT WOULD BE FORTHCOMING and the enforcement will include referrals to the FCC for action.

Unfortunately, the comment below reflects the attitude of many USA amateurs:

 "If the FCC is that concerned about legitimate FT8 use within that 2.8 KHz BW, they need to clarify their own rules and rationale and make this clarification known.  Because right now, its as clear as mud.  "Field Day" for lawyers, so to speak."

As a result,  the 60m requirements for digital, (FT8 included), have been summarily ignored if not outright violated. I, myself did so, because I did not understand how one could reasonably operate a full SSB bandwidth and that was ok, but could not use the entire 2.8 kHz bandwidth for multiple narrow band FT8 transmissions. It makes NO sense. But....the rule is unforgiving and I have been told they are going to enforce it.

I have advocated one thing and one thing only: Be Careful. I don't have horse this race. It would be a shame, however, if we lost this allocation or someone would get a QSL card from the FCC because they refused to exercise some caution in the matter.

73, N0AN
Hasan


On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 5:41 AM Seannon Baker (AG0NY) <KD4IYI@...> wrote:
Also, it clearly states that no more than one station transmit at any given time thus also limiting to a conversational rather than a transactional contact type. (If you hear a conversation, don't transmit, if you hear a CQ, answer it unless you hear someone else answering)


Seannon, ag0ny

On Thu, Feb 20, 2020, 05:15 Nc8q-mesh@... <nc8q-mesh@...> wrote:
On 2/20/20 5:17 AM, Hasan Schiers N0AN wrote:
Again, ARRL have *on multiple occasions* reported communications from
FCC Enforcement staff (and NTIA who are responsible for the "60 M
band") reminding US licensed amateurs that 97.303(h) requires using
*identical* audio frequency and carrier offsets so that the transmitted
signal is centered exactly on the middle of the assigned "Channel" -
not generating a random offset within a 2.7 KHz "band".

IMHO, this discussion of operating FT8 on 60 meters deserves its own thread.

 From looking at the waterfall display (Wide Graph),
it seems to me that a FT8 Tx frequency of 1500 indicates signals from
'dial frequency + 1500 Hz' to 'dial frequency + ~1548 Hz'.

The get TX signals centered on 1500 Hz,
 would it not require setting WSJTX to 1476 Hz ?

Chuck




locked Re: Request for enhancement

Sam Birnbaum
 

Hi
 
I forgot to mention the UDP message id #14 which was also introduced in WSJT-X ver 2.1.
 
That UDP message is SwitchConfig allows a companion program to send a UDP message to WSJT-X and to switch to a named configuration.
 
73,
 
Sam W2JDB

 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Sam W2JDB <w2jdb@...>
To: WSJTX <WSJTX@groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Feb 19, 2020 8:19 pm
Subject: Re: [WSJTX] Request for enhancement

Hi,
 
WSJTX ver 2.1 introduced UDP message id 15 - ConfigIn
It allows a companion program to send a UDP message to WSJTX to change mode and set/reset other items. It does not allow you to change the configuration or the band. That would be a nice addition.
 
73,
 
Sam W2JDB

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Garber <ve3wej@...>
To: WSJTX <WSJTX@groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Feb 19, 2020 7:31 pm
Subject: Re: [WSJTX] Request for enhancement

these are both already included in wsjt,(not via udp, but they must have cat setup ) in drop down menus, so I am curious what the reason for this request.  or am I misunderstanding

Dave Garber
VE3WEJ / VE3IE


On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 3:52 PM Bob <k4cy@...> wrote:
Can you please add a UDP message (application -> WSJT-X) to change mode and band. 73.


locked Help for members being removed for marking messages as spam

Roger
 

I'm seeing a rinse in members being removed for marking messages as spam again. There is nothing in particular the moderators can do to stop this but there is some useful information here:-

https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Removed-for-spam

Roger, G4HZA.
Moderator


locked Re: Tx tracking Rx

Seannon Baker (AG0NY)
 

You can't really force the TX to track the RX per se, you can set it to the same by right clicking on receive in the waterfall window and there's an option for it, others have mentioned this is not necessarily the best practice, it's "usually" best to find a quiet frequency to stake out and set to maintain that frequency, the RX side will pretty much take care of itself as the entire RX passband is decoded

Seannon, AG0NY

On Wed, Feb 19, 2020, 00:39 Philip Rose via Groups.Io <pvrose=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:
Thanks Hasan,

IIRC, I've seen WSJT-X decode outside my waterfall. Obviously if the rig's filter is less than 3k then that restricts what would get decoded.

73 Phil GM3ZZA

On Tuesday, 18 February 2020, 19:54:18 GMT, Chris Zukowski <czukowski@...> wrote:



Mine tracks by default unless I tell it to “Hold TX Freq”. 

On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 11:52 AM Russell Blair <nc5opsk@...> wrote:
Thanks to all for your input, well I guest I like for the Tx to track the Rx. Thanks Hub I'l give that a try, if not then I'l use it as is. Thanks all 
Russell NC5O



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------ Original Message ------
From: "Herb Blue" <WB8ASI@...>
Sent: 2/18/2020 11:50:34 AM
Subject: Re: [WSJTX] Tx tracking Rx

They move together when you hold down the Ctrl key.   73, Herb WB8ASI
On February 18, 2020 at 12:39 PM Russell Blair <nc5opsk@...> wrote:

Ok well that did fix what I wanted it to, when I move the Rx I would like the Tx to move as well. ?
I'm not operating split mode.

Russell NC5O  



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------ Original Message ------
Sent: 2/18/2020 9:35:04 AM
Subject: Re: [WSJTX] Tx tracking Rx

On 2/18/20 10:25 AM, Russell Blair wrote:
Years ago when I used this program there was a box to check for the Tx to track the Rx, Did I miss it here, I looked in the online help and found no help or I missed it there as well. So is there a way to set the Tx to track the Rx. ?

Russell NC5O

Kind of.
There is a box to hold TX or not.
Look for 'Hold Tx Freq' box.


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73 Phil GM3ZZA


locked Re: 60 meters: Operating guidelines for FT8

Seannon Baker (AG0NY)
 

Also, it clearly states that no more than one station transmit at any given time thus also limiting to a conversational rather than a transactional contact type. (If you hear a conversation, don't transmit, if you hear a CQ, answer it unless you hear someone else answering)


Seannon, ag0ny

On Thu, Feb 20, 2020, 05:15 Nc8q-mesh@... <nc8q-mesh@...> wrote:
On 2/20/20 5:17 AM, Hasan Schiers N0AN wrote:
Again, ARRL have *on multiple occasions* reported communications from
FCC Enforcement staff (and NTIA who are responsible for the "60 M
band") reminding US licensed amateurs that 97.303(h) requires using
*identical* audio frequency and carrier offsets so that the transmitted
signal is centered exactly on the middle of the assigned "Channel" -
not generating a random offset within a 2.7 KHz "band".

IMHO, this discussion of operating FT8 on 60 meters deserves its own thread.

 From looking at the waterfall display (Wide Graph),
it seems to me that a FT8 Tx frequency of 1500 indicates signals from
'dial frequency + 1500 Hz' to 'dial frequency + ~1548 Hz'.

The get TX signals centered on 1500 Hz,
 would it not require setting WSJTX to 1476 Hz ?

Chuck



locked 60 meters: Operating guidelines for FT8

Nc8q-mesh@gelm.net
 

On 2/20/20 5:17 AM, Hasan Schiers N0AN wrote:
Again, ARRL have *on multiple occasions* reported communications from
FCC Enforcement staff (and NTIA who are responsible for the "60 M
band") reminding US licensed amateurs that 97.303(h) requires using
*identical* audio frequency and carrier offsets so that the transmitted
signal is centered exactly on the middle of the assigned "Channel" -
not generating a random offset within a 2.7 KHz "band".

IMHO, this discussion of operating FT8 on 60 meters deserves its own thread.

 From looking at the waterfall display (Wide Graph),
it seems to me that a FT8 Tx frequency of 1500 indicates signals from
'dial frequency + 1500 Hz' to 'dial frequency + ~1548 Hz'.

The get TX signals centered on 1500 Hz,
 would it not require setting WSJTX to 1476 Hz ?

Chuck


locked Re: frequencies for 160 - 6m?

Hasan Schiers N0AN
 

Again, ARRL have *on multiple occasions* reported communications from
FCC Enforcement staff (and NTIA who are responsible for the "60 M
band") reminding US licensed amateurs that 97.303(h) requires using
*identical* audio frequency and carrier offsets so that the transmitted
signal is centered exactly on the middle of the assigned "Channel" -
not generating a random offset within a 2.7 KHz "band".

This is what I was sent, along with a direct quote from the ARRL that was even more specific forbidding the spreading out of USA signals away from 1500 Hz on 60m. I'm still looking for it. Once I saw the direct quote from ARRL about this issue, I stopped moving away from band center.

If I find the other one, I'll post it. If you have questions contact ARRL.
73
Hasan


On Wed, Feb 19, 2020, 4:26 PM K8BL BOB LIDDY <k8bl@...> wrote:
As long as we're discussing the Frequency List, I noticed that doing
the Reset does not provide the 60M Frequency for FT8.

I've inserted 5.357 MHz in my List. There is a fair bit of activity there
and many DX Stations to work nightly. It's easy to find a clear spot.

73,    Bob  K8BL








locked Re: frequencies for 160 - 6m?

Hasan Schiers N0AN
 

Bob, 
Of course you are seeing them all over the place, and that is exactly what we are being warned about. I used to approach things exactly as you have and was subsequently told that these  "convenient" self-interpretations are going to result in notice of violations when the new monitoring program starts.

I will look for the precise wording I was sent a few weeks ago, and anyone who wants to can argue it out with the ARRL  Keep in mind  that the Monitoring program will be run by the ARRL, and they will be sending out notices and making referrals to the FCC for enforcement. 

73, N0AN

Hasan


On Wed, Feb 19, 2020, 10:09 PM K8BL BOB LIDDY <k8bl@...> wrote:
FT8 uses 8-FSK Modulation with 6.25 Hz spacing. It is
not one discreet tone. Therefore, it would be impossible
to ONLY use one tone at 1500 Hz to exchange information
using FT8 on 60M or any other Band.

I'm seeing plenty of QSOs on 60M tonight from all across
NA and EU. My 10W to an end-fed LW at 20Ft works out
quite well.

GL/73,   Bob  K8BL

On Wednesday, February 19, 2020, 09:14:13 PM CST, Herb Blue <wb8asi@...> wrote:

I will practice my whistle to stay on 1500. 

>  On February 19, 2020 at 10:04 PM Hasan Schiers N0AN <hbasri.schiers6@...> wrote:
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>  According to the precise definition in the rules the entire 2800 Hz spectrum is NOT AVAILABLE!
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>  Only one frequency is permitted and that is 1500 Hz. No moving around, no spreading out, period. Applies only to USA stations.
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>  That is exactly what I was warned about. The rule is clear and it is equally clear it was not being enforced. It is going to be enforced, that is what I was told. 
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>  Take it for what it's worth,  I have no investment either way.
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>  73, N0AN 
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>  Hasan
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>  On Wed, Feb 19, 2020, 6:39 PM Bruce N7XGR < n7xgr1@...> wrote:
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>>  Then what we all need to do is start doing this,
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>>  http://www.openculture.com/2013/03/speaking_in_whistles_the_whistled_language_of_oaxaca_mexico.html
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>>  These people communicate by whistling tones that is understood by the receiver.
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>>  This seems to be the same as the FT8 tones.  What is the difference between a whistled tone and a FT8 tone?
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>>  We can whistle tones anywhere in the 2800 Hz USB transmit bandwidth.
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>>  What about other countries?  Will the FCC enforce this to countries outside of the US boarder?
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>>  Bruce  N7XGR
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>>  On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 7:09 PM Hasan Schiers N0AN < hbasri.schiers6@...> wrote:
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>>>  Re: 60m
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>>>  Be very careful about 60m in the USA. The spread of FT8 activity away from 1500 Hz may well be in violation of FCC rules. I received a warning that enforcement of this rule was going to start shortly with the onset of the new ARRL Monitoring program, wherein violations will be forwarded to the FCcCfor enforcement.
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>>>  73, N0AN
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>>>  Hasan

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>>>  On Wed, Feb 19, 2020, 4:26 PM K8BL BOB LIDDY < k8bl@...> wrote:
>>>
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>>>>  As long as we're discussing the Frequency List, I noticed that doing
>>>> the Reset does not provide the 60M Frequency for FT8.
>>>>
>>>> I've inserted 5.357 MHz in my List. There is a fair bit of activity there
>>>> and many DX Stations to work nightly. It's easy to find a clear spot.
>>>>
>>>> 73,    Bob  K8BL
 


 


locked Best S&P

pete.thomas.fi
 

Took place in RSGB FT4 contest this week. I had four colours chosen: my call in message, new call, cq in message and transmitted message. I couldn't get the Best S&P button to do anything? On-line manual didn't enlighten me. Pete 
Oh2euu


locked Re: Computer recommendations

Michael Pittaro
 

+1 for running a NUC on 12V.  Just watch your power cable size - the peak current goes from like 3A at 19V to 5A at 12V. The coax power cable from the stock PSU won't cut it.

As for choosing a PC, start with what you need, and work from there.  Number of ports and types, storage (250 GB is more than enough).  8-16GB of RAM, with 8 as a minimum these days.   Touch displays still add a premium to the price, but that's a matter of personal preference.  

Form factor is worth thinking about - laptops and convertibles win for portability, but they are mostly a fixed configuration.  A Real computer with external display, keyboard, and mouse gives you more flexibility in where you put things.  You can also defer purchase of a bigger display to later, which helps with cash flow :-)  There are some nice  'small form factor' PC's out there, so you don't need a huge tower chassis. 

Once you have requirements, it's a lot easier to shop and compare.  Look for sales - the US President's Day sales are mostly gone, but there will be more.   

mike, kj6vcp


locked Re: Computer recommendations

R S
 

Sometimes a PC is sold with a small hard drive. Or with an older hard drive that is slow. The cheaper HP laptops are generally sold that way. My experience. That alone can cause you problems when there are many software packages installed. You run out of enough hard drive to swap back and forth for your applications. 

The first thing I do when I buy a new HP laptop was mentioned earlier. I remove everything relating to the software installed by HP from the get go. HP usually offers a one time system backup to be burned to DVD. Do it. First. It takes quite a few DVDs. Then, if you need help or are able to do it yourself, remove everything possible, especially the antivirus program, if it’s not the windows 10 version. Let windows protect your PC. It is nowhere near the resource hungry types the others are. That PC should run just about everything you need and want. 

Ron. KJ4FFG 

On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 13:51 Ovidiu Suta <yo2cwm@...> wrote:
Try mini PC DELL OPTIPLEX 7050 INTEL CORE I7-6700T/SSD 256GB/16GB DDR4 and Win10.

It work very well and is not expensive

73 de Ovi

On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 7:24 PM chuckc192000 via Groups.Io <chuckc192000=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Yeah, I run JTDX and cqrlog on a $40 Raspberry Pi with no problems.  I've worked 48 states and 51 countries since September using an indoor mag loop antenna (deed restrictions on outdoor antennas).
--
Chuck, WB4UIH


locked Re: frequencies for 160 - 6m?

Bruce N7XGR
 

This is from, 47 CFR Part 97 - September 23 2014-2

(h) 60 m band: (1) In the 5330.5-5406.4 kHz band (60 m band), amateur stations may transmit only on the five center frequencies specified in the
table below. In order to meet this requirement, control operators of stations transmitting phone, data, and RTTY emissions (emission designators
2K80J3E, 2K80J2D, and 60H0J2B, respectively) may set the carrier frequency 1.5 kHz below the center frequency as specified in the table below. For
CW emissions (emission designator 150HA1A), the carrier frequency is set to the center frequency. Amateur operators shall ensure that their emissions
do not occupy more than 2.8 kHz centered on each of these center frequencies.

It only states that CW is to be set at the 1.5 KHz center frequency point.
The last sentence is the boundary limit for phone, data and RTTY emissions.
Notice what is missing in the sentence for CW emissions, it does not include
data and RTTY modes.
If the FCC wanted to specify that the transmission of CW, data and RTTY they would have
worded it that these will be on the channel center frequency like in this case 5358.5 KHz.
Take 2.8 KHz divide by 2 is 1.4 KHz.  Center channel is 5358.5, subtract 1.4 KHz, is 5357.1,
add 1.4 gives you 5359.9. The limits are 5357.1 to 5359.9.  Notice the 2.8 KHz centered,
that to me is the reference point for the limits.  We are staying within these limits.
I do believe by now that the FCC would have sent notice and the ARRL will then issue
a bulletin informing all US Hams to cease FT8 activity in 60 meters especially on channel 3 (5357 KHz)
unless the transmission is on 5358.5 KHz or 1.5 KHz on the waterfall when the VFO is on 5357 KHz.

Bruce  N7XGR


On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 10:14 PM Herb Blue <WB8ASI@...> wrote:
I will practice my whistle to stay on 1500.
On February 19, 2020 at 10:04 PM Hasan Schiers N0AN <hbasri.schiers6@...> wrote:

According to the precise definition in the rules the entire 2800 Hz spectrum is NOT AVAILABLE!

Only one frequency is permitted and that is 1500 Hz. No moving around, no spreading out, period. Applies only to USA stations.

That is exactly what I was warned about. The rule is clear and it is equally clear it was not being enforced. It is going to be enforced, that is what I was told. 

Take it for what it's worth,  I have no investment either way.

73, N0AN 

Hasan

On Wed, Feb 19, 2020, 6:39 PM Bruce N7XGR < n7xgr1@...> wrote:
Then what we all need to do is start doing this,
These people communicate by whistling tones that is understood by the receiver.
This seems to be the same as the FT8 tones.  What is the difference between a whistled tone and a FT8 tone?
We can whistle tones anywhere in the 2800 Hz USB transmit bandwidth.
What about other countries?  Will the FCC enforce this to countries outside of the US boarder?

Bruce  N7XGR

On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 7:09 PM Hasan Schiers N0AN < hbasri.schiers6@...> wrote:
Re: 60m

Be very careful about 60m in the USA. The spread of FT8 activity away from 1500 Hz may well be in violation of FCC rules. I received a warning that enforcement of this rule was going to start shortly with the onset of the new ARRL Monitoring program, wherein violations will be forwarded to the FCcCfor enforcement.

I'd be careful.
73, N0AN

Hasan

On Wed, Feb 19, 2020, 4:26 PM K8BL BOB LIDDY < k8bl@...> wrote:
As long as we're discussing the Frequency List, I noticed that doing
the Reset does not provide the 60M Frequency for FT8.

I've inserted 5.357 MHz in my List. There is a fair bit of activity there
and many DX Stations to work nightly. It's easy to find a clear spot.

73,    Bob  K8BL











 


locked Re: Computer recommendations

Greg Beam, KI7MT <ki7mt01@...>
 

I'll second what Jim wrote here. I'm using a Lenovo X1 Extreme Gen1 for my work laptop (15.6in screen). Its a serious little box: Dual PCI M.2 NVME slots, Thunderbolt port, USB 3.x, Nvidia Graphics, HDMI 2.0, Good Battery Life, Lightweight.

I run VM Ware Workstation Pro on it with Windows Server 2016, SQL Server and Win10 Desktop instance at the same time. The box doesn't break a sweat.

Mine has i7-8850H 6 Cores/12 Threads, 32GB Ram, Dual 1TB M.2 NVME Samsung Pro's. I use a thunderbolt dock at work and home.

This is the Gen2, but, it has similar specs with a newer processor. I think the Gen1 is discontinued now.

https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpad-x/X1-Extreme-Gen-2/p/22TP2TXX1E2


73, Greg KI7MT

On 2/18/20 11:38 AM, Jim Brown wrote:
I'll repeat my recommendation of a Thinkpad, either new from the Lenovo website or a refurb off-lease unit from a vendor like NewEgg. I've used nothing but Thinkpads for almost 20 years. My last "big iron" was a dual processor Dell that I bought to do heavy-duty acoustic modeling in 1999. It finally died a few months ago. The Thinkpads did that modeling too, are far more compact, and don't require an outboard UPS.
My shack computer is a Thinkpad T540 with an i7 processor and 16GB; it came with only 8GB, and didn't allow wide tolerance decoding of MSK144 until I borught the RAM up to 16GB. OTOH, the used super-light weight X230 Thinkpad I bought for members of our team to carry up a long and difficult hiking trail to activate a rare grid runs WSJT-X just fine with only 8GB, and RAM can't be added to it. Both of those machines run Win7-64 Pro, and both can drive big external monitors.
For both machines I've bought used docking stations, which are a good way to get extra ports, and which clean up wiring when used in the shack.
73, Jim K9YC
On 2/17/2020 5:54 PM, eam1212003 via Groups.Io wrote:
It’s just about time to put my old Dell/Windows 7 computer to sleep...looking for inexpensive suggestions of a new computer/laptop that can comfortably handle HRD and WSJT..


locked Re: FT4 frequencies for 160 - 6m?

Herb Blue - WB8ASI
 

You must need a new Mouse with a functional right click.  Maybe reload the download.   If you can't get the dropdown something is wrong. 


locked Re: frequencies for 160 - 6m?

K8BL BOB LIDDY <k8bl@...>
 

FT8 uses 8-FSK Modulation with 6.25 Hz spacing. It is
not one discreet tone. Therefore, it would be impossible
to ONLY use one tone at 1500 Hz to exchange information
using FT8 on 60M or any other Band.

I'm seeing plenty of QSOs on 60M tonight from all across
NA and EU. My 10W to an end-fed LW at 20Ft works out
quite well.

GL/73,   Bob  K8BL

On Wednesday, February 19, 2020, 09:14:13 PM CST, Herb Blue <wb8asi@...> wrote:

I will practice my whistle to stay on 1500. 

  On February 19, 2020 at 10:04 PM Hasan Schiers N0AN <hbasri.schiers6@...> wrote:


  According to the precise definition in the rules the entire 2800 Hz spectrum is NOT AVAILABLE!
  


  Only one frequency is permitted and that is 1500 Hz. No moving around, no spreading out, period. Applies only to USA stations.

  


  That is exactly what I was warned about. The rule is clear and it is equally clear it was not being enforced. It is going to be enforced, that is what I was told. 

  


  Take it for what it's worth,  I have no investment either way.

  


  73, N0AN 

  

  Hasan




  
  On Wed, Feb 19, 2020, 6:39 PM Bruce N7XGR < n7xgr1@...> wrote:


  
  
  Then what we all need to do is start doing this,

  http://www.openculture.com/2013/03/speaking_in_whistles_the_whistled_language_of_oaxaca_mexico.html

  These people communicate by whistling tones that is understood by the receiver.

  This seems to be the same as the FT8 tones.  What is the difference between a whistled tone and a FT8 tone?

  We can whistle tones anywhere in the 2800 Hz USB transmit bandwidth.

  What about other countries?  Will the FCC enforce this to countries outside of the US boarder?

  


  Bruce  N7XGR




  
  On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 7:09 PM Hasan Schiers N0AN < hbasri.schiers6@...> wrote:


  
  Re: 60m
  


  Be very careful about 60m in the USA. The spread of FT8 activity away from 1500 Hz may well be in violation of FCC rules. I received a warning that enforcement of this rule was going to start shortly with the onset of the new ARRL Monitoring program, wherein violations will be forwarded to the FCcCfor enforcement.

  


  I'd be careful.

  73, N0AN


  Hasan
  
  On Wed, Feb 19, 2020, 4:26 PM K8BL BOB LIDDY < k8bl@...> wrote:


  As long as we're discussing the Frequency List, I noticed that doing
the Reset does not provide the 60M Frequency for FT8.

I've inserted 5.357 MHz in my List. There is a fair bit of activity there
and many DX Stations to work nightly. It's easy to find a clear spot.

73,    Bob  K8BL


locked Re: frequencies for 160 - 6m?

neil_zampella <neilz@...>
 

This comes up often, the reason 60 meter frequencies have not been added as the rules for 60m access are different around the globe.  Its up to the local use to insert those frequencies.

Neil, KN3ILZ



On 2/19/2020 5:26 PM, K8BL BOB LIDDY wrote:

As long as we're discussing the Frequency List, I noticed that doing
the Reset does not provide the 60M Frequency for FT8.

I've inserted 5.357 MHz in my List. There is a fair bit of activity there
and many DX Stations to work nightly. It's easy to find a clear spot.

73,    Bob  K8BL








    


locked Re: FT4 frequencies for 160 - 6m?

neil_zampella <neilz@...>
 

The RESET will update the entire Frequency Table ... this is also covered in the User Guide section 4.6 which states that RESET will return the table to the default frequencies.    

If you don't have the FT4 frequencies because you updated from a previous version that didn't have FT4, this will pull them in.

Neil, KN3ILZ

On 2/19/2020 4:00 PM, Scott Millick wrote:

it does not say anything about update  settings  frequency   and right click inside in the middle doesnt say anything about an update


At 01:07 PM 2/19/2020, you wrote:
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Scott...  Right-click IN the Freq Table itself and a window will appear.
GL/73,    Bob  K8BL








On Wednesday, February 19, 2020, 12:43:33 PM CST, Scott Millick <smillick@...> wrote:





Under settings frequency then right click nothing happens

Scott K9SM

On Feb 18, 2020, at 8:33 PM, neil_zampella <neilz@...> wrote:

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Did you RIGHT CLICK in the Frequency List to get the menu ??

Neil, KN3ILZ


On 2/17/2020 1:45 PM, Scott Millick wrote:


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no reset button found

At 09:02 PM 2/15/2020, you wrote:

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> A RESET of the Frequency list will pick them all up.    Just RIGHT CLICK in the Frequency list and select RESET.   All the default frequencies will then be added.
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> Neil, KN3ILZ
> On 2/15/2020 12:49 PM, Dick- K9OM via Groups.Io wrote:
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>> If there are designated FT4 frequencies for 160 - 6 meters, I'd appreciate someone posting them here as I don't have them all.
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>> Thanks & 73,
>>
>> Dick- K9OMÂÂ
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locked Re: FT4 frequencies for 160 - 6m?

neil_zampella <neilz@...>
 

You have to RIGHT CLICK in the LIST of frequencies.  You'll then see a menu which gives you a list of options.

Neil KN3ILZ

On 2/19/2020 1:43 PM, Scott Millick wrote:

Under settings frequency then right click nothing happens

Scott K9SM

On Feb 18, 2020, at 8:33 PM, neil_zampella <neilz@...> wrote:

Did you RIGHT CLICK in the Frequency List to get the menu ??

Neil, KN3ILZ

On 2/17/2020 1:45 PM, Scott Millick wrote:

no reset button found

At 09:02 PM 2/15/2020, you wrote:
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A RESET of the Frequency list will pick them all up.    Just RIGHT CLICK in the Frequency list and select RESET.   All the default frequencies will then be added.

Neil, KN3ILZ
On 2/15/2020 12:49 PM, Dick- K9OM via Groups.Io wrote:
If there are designated FT4 frequencies for 160 - 6 meters, I'd appreciate someone posting them here as I don't have them all.

Thanks & 73,

Dick- K9OM 





    


locked Re: frequencies for 160 - 6m?

Herb Blue - WB8ASI
 

I will practice my whistle to stay on 1500.

On February 19, 2020 at 10:04 PM Hasan Schiers N0AN <hbasri.schiers6@...> wrote:

According to the precise definition in the rules the entire 2800 Hz spectrum is NOT AVAILABLE!

Only one frequency is permitted and that is 1500 Hz. No moving around, no spreading out, period. Applies only to USA stations.

That is exactly what I was warned about. The rule is clear and it is equally clear it was not being enforced. It is going to be enforced, that is what I was told. 

Take it for what it's worth,  I have no investment either way.

73, N0AN 

Hasan

On Wed, Feb 19, 2020, 6:39 PM Bruce N7XGR < n7xgr1@...> wrote:
Then what we all need to do is start doing this,
These people communicate by whistling tones that is understood by the receiver.
This seems to be the same as the FT8 tones.  What is the difference between a whistled tone and a FT8 tone?
We can whistle tones anywhere in the 2800 Hz USB transmit bandwidth.
What about other countries?  Will the FCC enforce this to countries outside of the US boarder?

Bruce  N7XGR

On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 7:09 PM Hasan Schiers N0AN < hbasri.schiers6@...> wrote:
Re: 60m

Be very careful about 60m in the USA. The spread of FT8 activity away from 1500 Hz may well be in violation of FCC rules. I received a warning that enforcement of this rule was going to start shortly with the onset of the new ARRL Monitoring program, wherein violations will be forwarded to the FCcCfor enforcement.

I'd be careful.
73, N0AN

Hasan

On Wed, Feb 19, 2020, 4:26 PM K8BL BOB LIDDY < k8bl@...> wrote:
As long as we're discussing the Frequency List, I noticed that doing
the Reset does not provide the 60M Frequency for FT8.

I've inserted 5.357 MHz in my List. There is a fair bit of activity there
and many DX Stations to work nightly. It's easy to find a clear spot.

73,    Bob  K8BL











 


locked Re: frequencies for 160 - 6m?

Hasan Schiers N0AN
 

According to the precise definition in the rules the entire 2800 Hz spectrum is NOT AVAILABLE!

Only one frequency is permitted and that is 1500 Hz. No moving around, no spreading out, period. Applies only to USA stations.

That is exactly what I was warned about. The rule is clear and it is equally clear it was not being enforced. It is going to be enforced, that is what I was told. 

Take it for what it's worth,  I have no investment either way.

73, N0AN 

Hasan


On Wed, Feb 19, 2020, 6:39 PM Bruce N7XGR <n7xgr1@...> wrote:
Then what we all need to do is start doing this,
These people communicate by whistling tones that is understood by the receiver.
This seems to be the same as the FT8 tones.  What is the difference between a whistled tone and a FT8 tone?
We can whistle tones anywhere in the 2800 Hz USB transmit bandwidth.
What about other countries?  Will the FCC enforce this to countries outside of the US boarder?

Bruce  N7XGR

On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 7:09 PM Hasan Schiers N0AN <hbasri.schiers6@...> wrote:
Re: 60m

Be very careful about 60m in the USA. The spread of FT8 activity away from 1500 Hz may well be in violation of FCC rules. I received a warning that enforcement of this rule was going to start shortly with the onset of the new ARRL Monitoring program, wherein violations will be forwarded to the FCcCfor enforcement.

I'd be careful.
73, N0AN

Hasan

On Wed, Feb 19, 2020, 4:26 PM K8BL BOB LIDDY <k8bl@...> wrote:
As long as we're discussing the Frequency List, I noticed that doing
the Reset does not provide the 60M Frequency for FT8.

I've inserted 5.357 MHz in my List. There is a fair bit of activity there
and many DX Stations to work nightly. It's easy to find a clear spot.

73,    Bob  K8BL