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locked Re: Ic-706 ptt not working #WSJTX_config

Earl Needham
 

On Fri, Aug 5, 2022 at 12:00 PM Karl Beckman WA8NVW - NNV5BH <
wa8nvw@...> wrote:

Also remember that WSJT will only work with the radio set to Upper
SideBand, not FM! You can set the IC706 radio to FM so you can listen on a
portable or mobile and verify that you do have audio, but nobody else
listening on 2M FM should be answering you.

Absolutely. I suggested FM solely to make sure there was audio going to
the radio. Be sure you don't use your local repeater input for this! 😜

Vy 7 3
Earl
KD5XB

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locked Re: CQ POTA DE AB1CDE #NewUser

Reino Talarmo
 

Might be better if the protocol specified something like: " CQ W1AW POTA" instead of " CQ POTA W1AW " ---- the former being far LESS confusing to Noobs.
Hi Gwen,

That will be a totally different protocol than what WSJT-X FT8 currently can support! The source coding and message structures set a strong limit. Of course there are some unused messages, but POTA is not so important to all radio amateurs, hi!

If I were a POTA station and want to get others interested in it, I would send something that makes a difference to "normal" CQ message e.g. that misuse of the directed CQ! Of course I could also use a free text message, but with 13 characters it may be less informative.

73, Reino OH3mA


locked Re: CQ POTA DE AB1CDE #NewUser

Gwen
 

"  ...

Please go to their web site and learn about about Parks on the Air.

....
"
That sounds like a put-down / diss.

The OP asked a reasonable question and should not be denegrated for asking it.

I, too, had wondered about that --- whether the inclusion of "POTA" meant ( Don't bother me if you aren't also a POTA station ).  It is a reasonable assumption based on other amendment protocols (such as "DX")

Might be better if the protocol specified something like:  " CQ W1AW POTA"  instead of  " CQ POTA W1AW " ---- the former being far LESS confusing to Noobs.

Gwen

KI5PXQ

On 8/5/22 09:52, Darl DEEDS wrote:
Please go to their web site and learn about about Parks on the Air.

https://pota.app

NA8W

From: Chuck Gelm<mailto:nc8q-aredn@...>
Sent: Friday, August 5, 2022 11:43
To: main@WSJTX.groups.io<mailto:main@WSJTX.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [WSJTX] CQ POTA DE AB1CDE #NewUser

On 8/5/22 10:13, Robert Bower wrote:
No, it means they are at a park doing a POTA activation. They need
ten contacts for a successful activation so I also try to respond.


On 2022-08-05 06:54, Chuck Gelm wrote:
Does 'CQ POTA' mean "I only want stations at a park to reply"?

73, Chuck


Do they need 10 other POTA stations or any 10 stations?











locked Re: Ic-706 ptt not working #WSJTX_config

Patrick
 

OK, you said you have no output on the 40m band, what about the other bands?

What OS are you running? I skimmed through all the posts but I didn't see that.

I see you said you worked one contact on 20M, that suggests a proper configuration but it is possible you're not on USB on 40M.

I have a 706MKIIG, I do know that the 706 doesn't care what mode you're in, it'll transmit whatever you put to it on whatever mode you want unlike me 857 which requires being in a digital mode to take it from the rear input.
As such when I work anything via voice I have to disconnect my DataLink to get rid of my attenuated audio. Keeping it plugged in attenuates my voice.

Did you turn the 706 off, hold LOCK then turn the radio on and confirm your com data rate on option 35?
Also confirm your CI-V address on 34. Default is 58H
Because of the CI-V address I have to use FLRig to control my radio as most applications do not support the CI-V applications, at least from what I've found.

Basically my setup is this...
Option 34 - 58H
Option 35 - 19200
FLRig.....
https://www.dropbox.com/s/r3r7kh5pzi6ecx7/Screenshot%20from%202022-08-05%2011-50-27.png?dl=0

WSJT-X....
https://www.dropbox.com/s/y5q04igia7ga55t/Screenshot%20from%202022-08-05%2011-53-14.png?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/xn56yhsg2v65mid/Screenshot%20from%202022-08-05%2011-53-54.png?dl=0

If you were able to get a signal through on 20M then you should on all the other bands as well.

I would (if you can) plug into a dummy load, have your power set to low and make sure there is a meter between your dummy load and your radio so you can see if a signal is being generated.
While on USB or LSB your needle won't swing unless there is audio being sent.
You could even set your RF Power (Q1) 2 or so if the dummy load can handle it to see the needle swing more.

Hopefully this is helpful.


locked Re: Bug in 2.5.4 when changing bands on Yaesu FTDX-3000 #Yaesu

Juergen DL4YCD
 

Hello folks,
if you want to discuss CAT etc. please open a new thread. I've opened this thread because I wanted to report a bug and hopefully get a solution. Otherwise this thread gets too confusing.
tnx
Juergen - DL4YCD


locked Re: Bug in 2.5.4 when changing bands on Yaesu FTDX-3000 #Yaesu

ky4ct@...
 

Michael,

Also, asynchronous serial libraries have been around since at least 2008.

boost::aisio added serial ports with 1.36
Version 1.36.0

August 14th, 2008 12:00 GMT

Qt felt it needed to add QSerialPort to Qt 5 and as an add-on to Qt 4.

It's not new, either.


locked Re: Ic-706 ptt not working #WSJTX_config

Reino Talarmo
 

HISTORY TIME: Back in the 1980s when the IC706 radio was being designed, high-speed digital packet networks used 9600 baud DFM on 2M or UHF. It was similar to how some hams still send RTTY signals using FSK DC voltage levels into the radio instead of analog AFSK tones.
Hi,
Just, if somebody wants to know the modern usage of the same method for DRM (Digital Mobile Radio). This time a four level frequency modulation.

73, Reino OH3mA


locked Re: Ic-706 ptt not working #WSJTX_config

Karl Beckman WA8NVW - NNV5BH
 

Tim's note about Menu 29 DEFINITELY applies when operating FTx modes using WSJT. That is the internal software switch that changes the transmit input pin on either the 13 pin DIN or 6 pin mini-DIN connector between analog audio tones(1200) and digital FSK voltage (9600). Also remember that WSJT will only work with the radio set to Upper SideBand, not FM! You can set the IC706 radio to FM so you can listen on a portable or mobile and verify that you do have audio, but nobody else listening on 2M FM should be answering you.
HISTORY TIME: Back in the 1980s when the IC706 radio was being designed, high-speed digital packet networks used 9600 baud DFM on 2M or UHF. It was similar to how some hams still send RTTY signals using FSK DC voltage levels into the radio instead of analog AFSK tones.
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Karl  WA8NVW  OH
WA8NVW@...
in WSJTX@groups.io


locked Re: Bug in 2.5.4 when changing bands on Yaesu FTDX-3000 #Yaesu

ky4ct@...
 

Yeasu FTDX101MP
Flex PowerGenius XL (via CAT)
Flex TunerGenius (via CAT)

The tuner genius requires CAT to operate with all of its features. otherwise, it's just a tuning solution per band.

Serial ports have been virtualized for quite a while, so yes Sir, I am splitting ports (most accurately not locking the virtual file when it's opened).


locked Re: Bug in 2.5.4 when changing bands on Yaesu FTDX-3000 #Yaesu

ky4ct@...
 

Michael,

on modern yaesu rigs there's two commands that are 'information'

IF (information)
and
OI (opposite band information)

IF is sent when VFO-A is tuned, and OI is sent when VFO-B is tuned.

Also, on dual receiver rigs like the 101 series, just because a VFO is tuned does not mean the TX frequency has changed, as it's independent of selecting a VFO.

The AI command is on every rig in Yaesu's product line that supports CAT, from the lowly FT-891 to the new FTDX-710 and as far back as any yeasu cat protocol that I've looked (FT-450D).

If it's not 'dogmatic' it's at best naive. It's not a 'NEW' bit of technology at all.


locked Re: Bug in 2.5.4 when changing bands on Yaesu FTDX-3000 #Yaesu

Michael Black
 

It's not "dogmatic" -- just that Hamlib was no originally written to be async.  We've recently added some async operations for Icom rigs and should be able to move to using AI notifications for Yaeus rigs that support.  But AI is sparsely implemented with some rigs sending just freq and some freq/mode and I've seen any other status provided via the AI information.The rigs also don't necessarily send which VFO they are talking about either so this may not be as easy as it sounds to give positive control of the rig.
I agree that other commands should not cause problems and I thought we had that fixed but if you're having problems in your config apparently more work needs be done.
I assume you're dong some sort of serial port split.
Mike W9MDB

On Friday, August 5, 2022 at 11:58:13 AM CDT, ky4ct@... <ky4ct@...> wrote:

Eugene,

How can it be a programming challenge when there are libraries like boost::asio and Qt's QSerialPort and plenty of open-sourced and well-tested options to work with serial ports? As a software engineer, I find it sort of a dogmatic mindset that we're polling rigs that don't need to be polled in 2022 and that libraries have provided asynchronous access to serial ports for years, and more to the point that it worked fine a few revisions ago but now absolutely refuses to work on my rig that also utilizes other hardware that relies on the rs232 communications of my radio in a manner that isn't polling my rig. Why should wsjt-x care that my radio informs another device what its meter reading is? It should only care about what my radio says its frequency is, i.e., the IF command it requested. The Cat protocol on 2.5.4 and above is naive at best.

https://www.boost.org/doc/libs/1_71_0/doc/html/boost_asio/reference/serial_port.html

https://doc.qt.io/qt-6/qserialport.html


locked Re: Bug in 2.5.4 when changing bands on Yaesu FTDX-3000 #Yaesu

Tim Dawson
 

I have to agree . . . I ha e always found serial to be simple, easy, reliable, and not subject to all the proprietary driver ninsense that taints USB . . . No minimum OS for a driver, no getting abandoned in "the latest (and often not) greatest", just standards based functionality. I could take a modem from the 1980's and have it running on a current system in minutes, and spend zero time loading anything . . .

On August 5, 2022 11:56:41 AM CDT, ky4ct@... wrote:
Eugene,

How can it be a programming challenge when there are libraries like boost::asio and Qt's QSerialPort and plenty of open-sourced and well-tested options to work with serial ports? As a software engineer, I find it sort of a dogmatic mindset that we're polling rigs that don't need to be polled in 2022 and that libraries have provided asynchronous access to serial ports for years, and more to the point that it worked fine a few revisions ago but now absolutely refuses to work on my rig that also utilizes other hardware that relies on the rs232 communications of my radio in a manner that isn't polling my rig. Why should wsjt-x care that my radio informs another device what its meter reading is? It should only care about what my radio says its frequency is, i.e., the IF command it requested. The Cat protocol on 2.5.4 and above is naive at best.

https://www.boost.org/doc/libs/1_71_0/doc/html/boost_asio/reference/serial_port.html

https://doc.qt.io/qt-6/qserialport.html









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Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.


locked Re: Bug in 2.5.4 when changing bands on Yaesu FTDX-3000 #Yaesu

Tim Dawson
 

That's one of the reasons that things like SignaLink can be better - they are transformer isolated....

On August 5, 2022 11:44:22 AM CDT, Eugene Morgan <ee_morgan@...> wrote:
I have found that working with serially connected devices, that include USB devices, has always been a programming challenge. This is especially so I believe when one has to also deal with the vagrancies of Common Mode Current that can sometimes affect any external device connected to your radio and computer. I've found that by following a best practices approach to minimizing CMC has been helpful in minimizing theses seemly random interruptions to communications between devices in the ham shack.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@WSJTX.groups.io [mailto:main@WSJTX.groups.io] On Behalf Of ky4ct@...
Sent: Friday, August 5, 2022 9:19 AM
To: main@WSJTX.groups.io
Subject: Re: [WSJTX] Bug in 2.5.4 when changing bands on Yaesu FTDX-3000

Eugene,

I just wish wsjt-x would stop assuming it's the only thing connected to my radio, explicitly, and stop throwing exceptions and disconnecting from my radio when it receives something it wasn't expecting. 2.5.4 apparently has lots of bugs concerning cat, as I can't upgrade past 2.5.0 and that version even on occasion decides it's not connected to the radio anymore. There's no need to poll a modern Yaesu rig.









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locked Re: Bug in 2.5.4 when changing bands on Yaesu FTDX-3000 #Yaesu

ky4ct@...
 

Eugene,

How can it be a programming challenge when there are libraries like boost::asio and Qt's QSerialPort and plenty of open-sourced and well-tested options to work with serial ports? As a software engineer, I find it sort of a dogmatic mindset that we're polling rigs that don't need to be polled in 2022 and that libraries have provided asynchronous access to serial ports for years, and more to the point that it worked fine a few revisions ago but now absolutely refuses to work on my rig that also utilizes other hardware that relies on the rs232 communications of my radio in a manner that isn't polling my rig. Why should wsjt-x care that my radio informs another device what its meter reading is? It should only care about what my radio says its frequency is, i.e., the IF command it requested. The Cat protocol on 2.5.4 and above is naive at best.

https://www.boost.org/doc/libs/1_71_0/doc/html/boost_asio/reference/serial_port.html

https://doc.qt.io/qt-6/qserialport.html


locked Re: CQ POTA DE AB1CDE #NewUser

AC9XW Doug
 

I’ve activated a lot. For digital I always use “CQ POTA AC9XW”. It means
I’m at park and looking for someone to hunt me.

On Fri, Aug 5, 2022 at 11:43 AM William Smith <w_smith@...>
wrote:

From: https://pota.app/#/faq
/*
For FT8, just run as normal default “CQ W3AAX FM19” … this may change with
FT4 once approved for use by ADIF.org.
*/

Also:
/*
Contacts do not have to be made with a registered POTA member.
*/

#WeDemandRigidlyDefinedAreasOfDoubtAndUncertainty!

"Work them all, let POTA sort them out." 8*)

73, Willie N1JBJ

On Aug 5, 2022, at 11:52 AM, Darl DEEDS <na8w@...> wrote:

Please go to their web site and learn about about Parks on the Air.

https://pota.app

NA8W

From: Chuck Gelm<mailto:nc8q-aredn@...>
Sent: Friday, August 5, 2022 11:43
To: main@WSJTX.groups.io<mailto:main@WSJTX.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [WSJTX] CQ POTA DE AB1CDE #NewUser

On 8/5/22 10:13, Robert Bower wrote:
No, it means they are at a park doing a POTA activation. They need
ten contacts for a successful activation so I also try to respond.


On 2022-08-05 06:54, Chuck Gelm wrote:
Does 'CQ POTA' mean "I only want stations at a park to reply"?

73, Chuck


Do they need 10 other POTA stations or any 10 stations?
















--
Doug Iverson


locked Re: Bug in 2.5.4 when changing bands on Yaesu FTDX-3000 #Yaesu

Eugene Morgan
 

I have found that working with serially connected devices, that include USB devices, has always been a programming challenge. This is especially so I believe when one has to also deal with the vagrancies of Common Mode Current that can sometimes affect any external device connected to your radio and computer. I've found that by following a best practices approach to minimizing CMC has been helpful in minimizing theses seemly random interruptions to communications between devices in the ham shack.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@WSJTX.groups.io [mailto:main@WSJTX.groups.io] On Behalf Of ky4ct@...
Sent: Friday, August 5, 2022 9:19 AM
To: main@WSJTX.groups.io
Subject: Re: [WSJTX] Bug in 2.5.4 when changing bands on Yaesu FTDX-3000

Eugene,

I just wish wsjt-x would stop assuming it's the only thing connected to my radio, explicitly, and stop throwing exceptions and disconnecting from my radio when it receives something it wasn't expecting. 2.5.4 apparently has lots of bugs concerning cat, as I can't upgrade past 2.5.0 and that version even on occasion decides it's not connected to the radio anymore. There's no need to poll a modern Yaesu rig.


locked Re: CQ POTA DE AB1CDE #NewUser

William Smith
 

From: https://pota.app/#/faq
/*
For FT8, just run as normal default “CQ W3AAX FM19” … this may change with FT4 once approved for use by ADIF.org.
*/

Also:
/*
Contacts do not have to be made with a registered POTA member.
*/

#WeDemandRigidlyDefinedAreasOfDoubtAndUncertainty!

"Work them all, let POTA sort them out." 8*)

73, Willie N1JBJ

On Aug 5, 2022, at 11:52 AM, Darl DEEDS <na8w@...> wrote:

Please go to their web site and learn about about Parks on the Air.

https://pota.app

NA8W

From: Chuck Gelm<mailto:nc8q-aredn@...>
Sent: Friday, August 5, 2022 11:43
To: main@WSJTX.groups.io<mailto:main@WSJTX.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [WSJTX] CQ POTA DE AB1CDE #NewUser

On 8/5/22 10:13, Robert Bower wrote:
No, it means they are at a park doing a POTA activation. They need
ten contacts for a successful activation so I also try to respond.


On 2022-08-05 06:54, Chuck Gelm wrote:
Does 'CQ POTA' mean "I only want stations at a park to reply"?

73, Chuck


Do they need 10 other POTA stations or any 10 stations?












locked Re: Bug in 2.5.4 when changing bands on Yaesu FTDX-3000 #Yaesu

Eugene Morgan
 

At the risk of starting an argument, which I don't want to do, I would offer a different perspective. I think that decision would depend on your requirements and individual situation. I like having the RX and TX controls on the Signal Link, it allows a level of control (fine tuning) that you don't always have on some rigs which often have to be controlled through menu options in the radio or fussing with the sound setting in Windows. This is especially so if your using your radio for CW and other digital modes outside of WSJT-X.

Having done it both ways I didn't see any difference in actual results over the course of several years. I doubt that the operator at the far end of the QSO could tell if you're using an internal or external sound card. What's most important, regardless of the digital interface you choose, is to make sure you have things adjusted properly and follow a best practice approach to operating.

Gene - WB7RLX

-----Original Message-----
From: main@WSJTX.groups.io [mailto:main@WSJTX.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gilbert Baron
Sent: Friday, August 5, 2022 10:27 AM
To: main@WSJTX.groups.io
Subject: Re: [WSJTX] Bug in 2.5.4 when changing bands on Yaesu FTDX-3000

If your radio has an internal sound card that is almost always the way to go.

Outlook LT Gil W0MN
Hierro Candente Batir de Repente
44.08226 N 92.51265 W EN34rb


-----Original Message-----
From: main@WSJTX.groups.io <main@WSJTX.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eugene Morgan
Sent: Friday, August 5, 2022 11:00 AM
To: main@WSJTX.groups.io
Subject: Re: [WSJTX] Bug in 2.5.4 when changing bands on Yaesu FTDX-3000

I decided to use the SignalLink given that I already owned it due to my previous rig (FT-950 and FT-857) and it allows me to control certain things with knobs on the SignalLink, which I also like.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@WSJTX.groups.io [mailto:main@WSJTX.groups.io] On Behalf Of Juergen DL4YCD
Sent: Friday, August 5, 2022 9:18 AM
To: main@WSJTX.groups.io
Subject: Re: [WSJTX] Bug in 2.5.4 when changing bands on Yaesu FTDX-3000

aha .. I'm using the internal soundcard from the FTDX3000 which is USB .... so thats quite different.













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locked Re: CQ POTA DE AB1CDE #NewUser

Chris Hoffman
 

They need any 10 QSO’s (POTA and non-POTA count)


locked Re: Bug in 2.5.4 when changing bands on Yaesu FTDX-3000 #Yaesu

ky4ct@...
 

Eugene,

I just wish wsjt-x would stop assuming it's the only thing connected to my radio, explicitly, and stop throwing exceptions and disconnecting from my radio when it receives something it wasn't expecting. 2.5.4 apparently has lots of bugs concerning cat, as I can't upgrade past 2.5.0 and that version even on occasion decides it's not connected to the radio anymore. There's no need to poll a modern Yaesu rig.

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