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locked Re: How do I know if my message is being sent out? #FT8

heath calhoun - kb5vai <hcalhoun@...>
 

VOX is on?





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From: wisconsinjimmy <algot1901@...>
Date: 8/3/21 14:02 (GMT-06:00)
To: main@WSJTX.groups.io
Subject: Re: [WSJTX] How do I know if my message is being sent out?

why is it when the program is transmitting it will pick up my voice and transmits 10W If I stay quiet it then has no output, I have the Mono shut off.


locked Re: WSJT-X & FTdx-5000 #txaudio #Yaesu

Chuck Moore <wd4hxg@...>
 

I take my cue from two things for power output. One is the derating used by
the radio manufacturer for the radio when running AM vs SSB.  My rig is
rated for 200 Watts PEP SSB by Yaesu. For AM they specify 50 Watts. That
to me indicates that the safe upper end for high duty cycle SSB is going to
be about 50 Watts for my radio.  Also on the rig here there is an option to run
the finals in a very linear mode (Class A) as opposed to acceptable AB mode.
Running in the ultra linear mode as it is called results in the SSB output being
capped at 70 Watts PEP.  Since the extra 20 watts will be less than about 1.5
dB increase in power it hardly seems worth it to risk the health of the finals.
I will venture a guess that the repair bill for replacing the finals will be around
$450 - $600. Heap on that the shipping costs will be about $120.00 each way.
I will opt for the 4:1 derating and set the max threshold at 50 watts "for the rig"
when using digital modes.

Other than the occasional "Oops" of forgetting to reduce the power out, I cap
the RF out at 25 watts. I will generally use less power if PSKReporter and/or
HamSpots is returning reports of my Signal Strength being better than -5 dB.

Regards

Chuck WD4HXG


On August 3, 2021 at 10:13 PM, "Joe WB9SBD" <nss@...> wrote:

In a FTDX-5000MP,

How much power can we safely run in the high duty digital modes?

Like RTTY and the stuff in the WSJT-X magic box.

My old Kenwood TS-430S 100 watt rig, 100 watts OVERHEAT

Like 50 watts and the fan would never ever come on

75 watts was like a 50% duty cycle with the fan, so figured that was a
safe level.

My IC-7300, 100 Watts Period regardless of mode, the temp gauge may rise
1 bar at the most,
I have no idea what it takes to get that radio Hot!

But now this 200 Watt FTDX-5000MP

What power level ends up like the 7300, where the fan rarely comes on if
at all.

and what power level is like the 430S where the fan runs like half of
the time?

Joe WB9SBD





locked Re: WSJT-X & FTdx-5000 #txaudio #Yaesu

Joe WB9SBD
 

In a FTDX-5000MP,

How much power can we safely run in the high duty digital modes?

Like RTTY and the stuff in the WSJT-X magic box.

My old Kenwood TS-430S 100 watt rig, 100 watts OVERHEAT

Like 50 watts and the fan would never ever come on

75 watts was like a 50% duty cycle with the fan, so figured that was a safe level.

My IC-7300, 100 Watts Period regardless of mode, the temp gauge may rise 1 bar at the most,
I have no idea what it takes to get that radio Hot!

But now this 200 Watt FTDX-5000MP

What power level ends up like the 7300, where the fan rarely comes on if at all.

and what power level is like the 430S where the fan runs like half of the time?

Joe WB9SBD


locked Re: Mode selection on the main screen #modes #mainscreen

Bruce N7XGR
 

Bob,  If he is using Firefox then do this, Tools>Downloads
Right click on that download and click on Copy Download Link.
Paste that link in the next post here.  You can also paste the link
in the address bar to show what website it came from.

Bruce  N7XGR



On Tue, Aug 3, 2021 at 6:14 PM Bob McLeod via groups.io <bob.janet=horizon.co.fk@groups.io> wrote:
Hello again,
Well, it was as I thought - he googled and got it off a link that came up - not realizing it wasn't the official place, and didn't save the link so we don't know where it originated.  He is uninstalling it and going to download from Sourceforge, and hopefully the other random issues will go away too.  Thanks for the advice.
73
Bob VP8LP

On 03/08/2021 16:25, Bob McLeod via groups.io wrote:
Hi Bill,

I will find out where he downloaded it from when he comes home from work - I think he just googled WSJT download and took one of the choices that came up.  That might explain why he gets some odd messages sometimes - which is why he asked us to look at it in the first place.  It didn't misbehave whilst we were there, so we are none the wiser, but it had been randomly throwing up odd messages.....
Thanks,
Bob VP8LP

On 03/08/2021 15:59, Bill Somerville wrote:
On 03/08/2021 19:45, Bob McLeod via groups.io wrote:
Hi,
I just visited a friend who has WSJT-X  2.4.0 installed, and on his version there are buttons where you can select the mode next to the levels bar on the left of the screen.  I also have 2.4.0 installed and don't have this, and we can't find an option that turns it on/off.  He did a default install, so we don't know where the option came from - can anyone shed any light on it. Screenshot attached below - you can see the column with buttons enabling you to select FT8, FT4, H for hound mode etc.
Thanks.
Bob VP8LP

Hi Bob,

that's a customized version, there's no such feature in the official version. I'm rather surprised the OM did not know he was not running the official version! Given that it has obviously be distributed, there should be a web page or project page where the modified sources are available, if not then it is in violation of the GPLv3 license WSJT-X is released under.

73
Bill
G4WJS.





    





locked Re: How do I know if my message is being sent out? #FT8

Richard Hattaway
 

I can honestly say it is most entertaining to listen to the speaker sometime while one is monitoring FT8 signals.  I have heard music, telephone conversations, and one domestic dispute over radios in my listening career.

And yes, I agree.. put the radio in Data mode or disconnect the mike.  It'll kill all my fun but make you a better ham  HI HI HI 

As above, I use ICOM but there are plenty of videos around for every modern rig to tell you how to set your station up for no microphone hookup.  Google is your friend :)
--
73
Dick

W4PID@...


locked Re: Mode selection on the main screen #modes #mainscreen

Bob McLeod
 

Hello again,
Well, it was as I thought - he googled and got it off a link that came up - not realizing it wasn't the official place, and didn't save the link so we don't know where it originated.  He is uninstalling it and going to download from Sourceforge, and hopefully the other random issues will go away too.  Thanks for the advice.
73
Bob VP8LP

On 03/08/2021 16:25, Bob McLeod via groups.io wrote:

Hi Bill,

I will find out where he downloaded it from when he comes home from work - I think he just googled WSJT download and took one of the choices that came up.  That might explain why he gets some odd messages sometimes - which is why he asked us to look at it in the first place.  It didn't misbehave whilst we were there, so we are none the wiser, but it had been randomly throwing up odd messages.....
Thanks,
Bob VP8LP

On 03/08/2021 15:59, Bill Somerville wrote:
On 03/08/2021 19:45, Bob McLeod via groups.io wrote:
Hi,
I just visited a friend who has WSJT-X  2.4.0 installed, and on his version there are buttons where you can select the mode next to the levels bar on the left of the screen.  I also have 2.4.0 installed and don't have this, and we can't find an option that turns it on/off.  He did a default install, so we don't know where the option came from - can anyone shed any light on it. Screenshot attached below - you can see the column with buttons enabling you to select FT8, FT4, H for hound mode etc.
Thanks.
Bob VP8LP

Hi Bob,

that's a customized version, there's no such feature in the official version. I'm rather surprised the OM did not know he was not running the official version! Given that it has obviously be distributed, there should be a web page or project page where the modified sources are available, if not then it is in violation of the GPLv3 license WSJT-X is released under.

73
Bill
G4WJS.








locked Re: JT alert #WSJTX_config

Russ Ravella
 

One thing that JTAlert does that GT doesn't that comes to mind shows up in the lower part of it's main window.  There is a matrix there with a column for each band 160-2 meters, and rows for “Callsign”, “DXCC” and “US State”.  The band you are currently on is highlighted in red.  Check marks are placed wherever the log JTA is referencing lists a previous contact has been made.  For example, if you’ve worked this particular station, on the band you’re currently on, a check mark appears at the intersection of that band column and the “Callsign” row.  Since that means you’ve also worked that station’s DXCC entity by definitely, a checkmark is also placed at the intersection of the band column and the “DXCC” row.  The last column lists the total number of callsign contacts, DXCC contacts and/or US State contacts corresponding to the callsign currently selected.

But there’s more.  If you’ve worked this DXCC entity, but not this station, a checkmark is placed there.  If you’ve worked this DXCC entity but not on this band, a check mark will appear across from “DXCC” in that band column along with all the band columns you’ve worked this entity on before.  Same for US states.  Further, if any of those contacts are confirmed, the checkmark is bold.

There are separate matrices for FT8 and FT4.  If the matrices are empty, you’ve hit the jackpot - the selected callsign is from a DXCC entity you have never worked at all - an ATNO - at least for that mode.  Empty positions for the band you’re currently on are emphasized with red boxes.

It is an amazing amount of very useful information provided in a tiny area, instantly available and digestible at a glance.  Grid Tracker provides some of that information in its callsign lookup window but only if you’ve worked the selected station before.  The information box doesn’t appear at all if you haven’t which makes it far, far less useful.

But the main thing is JTAlert presents information is an extremely useful, very well thought out manner.  For me, JTAlert and Grid Tracker are totally different animals and I use both in multicast mode (very, very thoroughly explained in ten thousand posts on this forum and in the JTAlert documentation).  The originator of Grid Tracker explicitly states that he does not consider it competition for JTAlert whatsoever, and he is correct.

73  Hope that helps !
Russ, KR6W


On Aug 3, 2021, at 1:35 PM, Dave Garber <ve3wej@...> wrote:

For me. I found interfacing real time with my log was better in jta the GT.   But my use of GT was limited to map and log forwarding as a backup.   Never saw a realtime log that wsjt could use as a reference for worked b4.  

On Tue., Aug. 3, 2021, 3:46 p.m. S Johnson, <cascadianroot@...> wrote:
Quick question - is there any function of JTAlert that ISN'T available in Grditracker? I don't have any more screen real estate for JTAlert but wonder if I'm missing anything great. 







locked Re: JT alert #WSJTX_config

Dave Garber
 

For me. I found interfacing real time with my log was better in jta the GT.   But my use of GT was limited to map and log forwarding as a backup.   Never saw a realtime log that wsjt could use as a reference for worked b4.  


On Tue., Aug. 3, 2021, 3:46 p.m. S Johnson, <cascadianroot@...> wrote:
Quick question - is there any function of JTAlert that ISN'T available in Grditracker? I don't have any more screen real estate for JTAlert but wonder if I'm missing anything great. 



locked Re: How do I know if my message is being sent out? #FT8

Bruce N7XGR
 

The easy way is to configure the radio for the DATA mode.
Using the DATA mode correctly will disconnect the mic input
so that it will not be "hot" in this case.
The DATA mode causes the audio switching from the mic input
to the rear either via the ACCY or DATA or USB input to go
directly to the modulation section.

Bruce  N7XGR


On Tue, Aug 3, 2021 at 3:35 PM Chuck Moore via groups.io <wd4hxg=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
The microphone must be still attached to the radio. My Yaesu did that and
I ran in circles for a couple of days trying to figure out what was going on.
In my case I was using the back port which was a 600 ohm input and in
parallel with the front panel microphone. SO I disconnected the microphone
and things worked. 

Regards

Chuck

On August 3, 2021 at 3:03 PM, "wisconsinjimmy" <algot1901@...> wrote:

[Edited Message Follows]

why is it when the program is transmitting it will pick up my voice and transmits 10W If I stay quiet it then has no output, I have the Moni shut off.







locked Re: How do I know if my message is being sent out? #FT8

Rob Sherwood
 

Can’t you simply tell your rig to only enable USB to feed audio to WSJT X?  At least with Icom you can do that.  Rob, NC0B

 

From: main@WSJTX.groups.io [mailto:main@WSJTX.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chuck Moore via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2021 1:35 PM
To: main@WSJTX.groups.io
Subject: Re: [WSJTX] How do I know if my message is being sent out?

 

The microphone must be still attached to the radio. My Yaesu did that and

I ran in circles for a couple of days trying to figure out what was going on.

In my case I was using the back port which was a 600 ohm input and in

parallel with the front panel microphone. SO I disconnected the microphone

and things worked. 

 

Regards

 

Chuck


On August 3, 2021 at 3:03 PM, "wisconsinjimmy" <algot1901@...> wrote:

[Edited Message Follows]

why is it when the program is transmitting it will pick up my voice and transmits 10W If I stay quiet it then has no output, I have the Moni shut off.




locked Re: JT alert #WSJTX_config

Steve Johnson
 

Quick question - is there any function of JTAlert that ISN'T available in Grditracker? I don't have any more screen real estate for JTAlert but wonder if I'm missing anything great. 


locked Re: Mode selection on the main screen #modes #mainscreen

Bob McLeod
 

Hi Bill,

I will find out where he downloaded it from when he comes home from work - I think he just googled WSJT download and took one of the choices that came up.  That might explain why he gets some odd messages sometimes - which is why he asked us to look at it in the first place.  It didn't misbehave whilst we were there, so we are none the wiser, but it had been randomly throwing up odd messages.....
Thanks,
Bob VP8LP

On 03/08/2021 15:59, Bill Somerville wrote:

On 03/08/2021 19:45, Bob McLeod via groups.io wrote:
Hi,
I just visited a friend who has WSJT-X  2.4.0 installed, and on his version there are buttons where you can select the mode next to the levels bar on the left of the screen.  I also have 2.4.0 installed and don't have this, and we can't find an option that turns it on/off.  He did a default install, so we don't know where the option came from - can anyone shed any light on it. Screenshot attached below - you can see the column with buttons enabling you to select FT8, FT4, H for hound mode etc.
Thanks.
Bob VP8LP

Hi Bob,

that's a customized version, there's no such feature in the official version. I'm rather surprised the OM did not know he was not running the official version! Given that it has obviously be distributed, there should be a web page or project page where the modified sources are available, if not then it is in violation of the GPLv3 license WSJT-X is released under.

73
Bill
G4WJS.






locked Re: How do I know if my message is being sent out? #FT8

Chuck Moore <wd4hxg@...>
 

The microphone must be still attached to the radio. My Yaesu did that and
I ran in circles for a couple of days trying to figure out what was going on.
In my case I was using the back port which was a 600 ohm input and in
parallel with the front panel microphone. SO I disconnected the microphone
and things worked. 

Regards

Chuck

On August 3, 2021 at 3:03 PM, "wisconsinjimmy" <algot1901@...> wrote:

[Edited Message Follows]

why is it when the program is transmitting it will pick up my voice and transmits 10W If I stay quiet it then has no output, I have the Moni shut off.




locked Re: How do I know if my message is being sent out? #FT8

Colin
 

Perhaps you have the wrong sound input selected in WSJT-X, and it is using the Microphone on your PC ?

 

From: main@WSJTX.groups.io <main@WSJTX.groups.io> On Behalf Of wisconsinjimmy
Sent: August 3, 2021 15:02
To: main@WSJTX.groups.io
Subject: Re: [WSJTX] How do I know if my message is being sent out?

 

[Edited Message Follows]

why is it when the program is transmitting it will pick up my voice and transmits 10W If I stay quiet it then has no output, I have the Moni shut off.


locked Re: How do I know if my message is being sent out? #FT8

neil_zampella <neilz@...>
 

I think you just hijacked this thread since what you're seeing has nothing to do with the original topic.   What you're seeing means that there's an open mic somewhere.

Also ... you have given the group nothing to work with.   Including the OS, rig, any interfaces used, etc,etc, would be of more use.

Neil, KN3ILZ

On 8/3/2021 2:02 PM, wisconsinjimmy wrote:

why is it when the program is transmitting it will pick up my voice and transmits 10W If I stay quiet it then has no output, I have the Mono shut off.



locked Re: Mode selection on the main screen #modes #mainscreen

neil_zampella <neilz@...>
 

In addition, I just noticed that it has 3 TABS for the exchange, which is not in the official program either.

Neil, KN3ILZ

On 8/3/2021 2:00 PM, Neil Zampella wrote:

I suspect that is NOT an official build, but more than likely a cloned version by someone who did not properly annotate that it is a cloned version.  

Where did your friend download the install file from?  If they did not get it from the 'official' sites (WSJT-X page, or Sourceforge WSJT page) than its a modified program.

Frankly, you can change modes very easily (and with less problems) by using the recommended method of setting up different configurations for each mode.

Neil, KN3ILZ

On 8/3/2021 1:45 PM, Bob McLeod via groups.io wrote:
Hi,
I just visited a friend who has WSJT-X  2.4.0 installed, and on his version there are buttons where you can select the mode next to the levels bar on the left of the screen.  I also have 2.4.0 installed and don't have this, and we can't find an option that turns it on/off.  He did a default install, so we don't know where the option came from - can anyone shed any light on it.  Screenshot attached below - you can see the column with buttons enabling you to select FT8, FT4, H for hound mode etc.
Thanks.
Bob VP8LP




locked Re: How do I know if my message is being sent out? #FT8

wisconsinjimmy
 
Edited

why is it when the program is transmitting it will pick up my voice and transmits 10W If I stay quiet it then has no output, I have the Moni shut off.


locked Re: Mode selection on the main screen #modes #mainscreen

neil_zampella <neilz@...>
 

I suspect that is NOT an official build, but more than likely a cloned version by someone who did not properly annotate that it is a cloned version.  

Where did your friend download the install file from?  If they did not get it from the 'official' sites (WSJT-X page, or Sourceforge WSJT page) than its a modified program.

Frankly, you can change modes very easily (and with less problems) by using the recommended method of setting up different configurations for each mode.

Neil, KN3ILZ

On 8/3/2021 1:45 PM, Bob McLeod via groups.io wrote:

Hi,
I just visited a friend who has WSJT-X  2.4.0 installed, and on his version there are buttons where you can select the mode next to the levels bar on the left of the screen.  I also have 2.4.0 installed and don't have this, and we can't find an option that turns it on/off.  He did a default install, so we don't know where the option came from - can anyone shed any light on it.  Screenshot attached below - you can see the column with buttons enabling you to select FT8, FT4, H for hound mode etc.
Thanks.
Bob VP8LP





locked Re: Mode selection on the main screen #modes #mainscreen

Bill Somerville
 

On 03/08/2021 19:45, Bob McLeod via groups.io wrote:
Hi,
I just visited a friend who has WSJT-X  2.4.0 installed, and on his version there are buttons where you can select the mode next to the levels bar on the left of the screen.  I also have 2.4.0 installed and don't have this, and we can't find an option that turns it on/off.  He did a default install, so we don't know where the option came from - can anyone shed any light on it. Screenshot attached below - you can see the column with buttons enabling you to select FT8, FT4, H for hound mode etc.
Thanks.
Bob VP8LP
Hi Bob,

that's a customized version, there's no such feature in the official version. I'm rather surprised the OM did not know he was not running the official version! Given that it has obviously be distributed, there should be a web page or project page where the modified sources are available, if not then it is in violation of the GPLv3 license WSJT-X is released under.

73
Bill
G4WJS.


locked Mode selection on the main screen #modes #mainscreen

Bob McLeod
 

Hi,
I just visited a friend who has WSJT-X  2.4.0 installed, and on his version there are buttons where you can select the mode next to the levels bar on the left of the screen.  I also have 2.4.0 installed and don't have this, and we can't find an option that turns it on/off.  He did a default install, so we don't know where the option came from - can anyone shed any light on it.  Screenshot attached below - you can see the column with buttons enabling you to select FT8, FT4, H for hound mode etc.
Thanks.
Bob VP8LP

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