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locked Re: Calling with TX2 #FT8

Bob G8HGN
 

Hi,
 
If someone calls me TX2 then I work them and worry about the grid later.
 
Replying to a station, I usually reply with my grid. However, if I do that when working the USA on 6M, I rarely get answered.
 
Why is that?  Presumably because I'm in a common G square that has been worked before by grid hunters who are, understandably, looking for new ones. Or they just don't want TX1 callers.
 
Don't forget I may not be a new grid to you, but you may be to me. Otherwise why would I call you?
 
Whilst everyone is entitled to operate how they please, it is frustrating to see many PSK flags for my call, in US grids I've not worked, and rarely get a reply when I reply to them with my grid. These are stations I've decoded, not monitors.
 
So mainly to the USA I use TX2 and don't send my grid now if replying to a CQ call, or tailending.
 
If you couldn't use TX2 would you refrain from using FT8. Probably not.
 
CU on 6, 73,
 
Bob G8HGN JO01fo
 
 
 
 
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2021 at 12:55 PM
From: "Martin G0HDB" <marting0hdb@...>
To: main@WSJTX.groups.io
Subject: Re: [WSJTX] Calling with TX2 #FT8
On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 12:52 AM, K0GU wrote:
On 6m I call domestic stations with my grid. For DX I start with Tx2 as to not waste a sequence. I'll worry about the DX grid later. i want the DX in the log! Most of the time the grid will show up on LoTW if used. 
--
73,  Jay  K0GU  DN70mq
I use a similar approach to Jay, albeit with a slight variation - if I've previously worked a station, either domestic or DX, then I'll generally use Tx2 to call them because they should already have my grid locator in their CALL3.TXT database so that the 'DX Grid' field on their screen will automatically get populated when they double-click on my callsign.  However, if I'm calling a station that I haven't worked before then I'll usually call them using Tx1 which includes my grid.

As has already been observed, many (almost all?) JA stations call using Tx2 which can be slightly irritating if it's a station I haven't worked before and hence their call and grid aren't in my CALL3.TXT database - it can (and does) take a bit of time to check such a station's details in QRZ (other databases are available...!).

73
--
Martin G0HDB


locked Re: ending a QSO #FT8

Brad, K8ZM
 

Hi Bob,

RRR...et al !!!

Brad, N8GLS

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S10 "not so" Smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: K8BL BOB LIDDY <k8bl@...>
Date: 5/21/21 3:57 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: main@wsjtx.groups.io
Subject: Re: [WSJTX] ending a QSO #FT8

Brad,

Yep!  And, since when have we gotten to the point of having
a computer decide everything for us (ending a QSO) instead
of using our God-given brains?

de  Bob  K8BL


On Friday, May 21, 2021, 09:49:18 AM EDT, Brad, N8GLS <n8gls@...> wrote:


RR73 !!

Brad, N8GLS

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S10 "not so" Smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: "Al Groff via groups.io" <al.k0vm@...>
Date: 5/21/21 9:23 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: main@WSJTX.groups.io
Subject: Re: [WSJTX] Successfully ending an FT QSO #FT8

Its easier to end an FT8 QSO than it is to end this topic.
AL, K0VM


On 5/21/2021 6:52 AM, Jon Ermels via groups.io wrote:
Just because WSJT says to log a QSO doesn't mean the other guy got your report. You still have to pay attention. I got an email at least once every two weeks or so from someone demanding I get into my eQSL out box and delete a QSO because it was NOT IN MY LOG. When I was new at this I just logged everything WSJT reminded me to. Signals fade rapidly with FT8 so just because you are satisfied doesn't mean the other guy is.

73 de NØIGU Jon




locked Re: Calling with TX2 #FT8

Martin G0HDB
 

On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 12:52 AM, K0GU wrote:
On 6m I call domestic stations with my grid. For DX I start with Tx2 as to not waste a sequence. I'll worry about the DX grid later. i want the DX in the log! Most of the time the grid will show up on LoTW if used. 
--
73,  Jay  K0GU  DN70mq
I use a similar approach to Jay, albeit with a slight variation - if I've previously worked a station, either domestic or DX, then I'll generally use Tx2 to call them because they should already have my grid locator in their CALL3.TXT database so that the 'DX Grid' field on their screen will automatically get populated when they double-click on my callsign.  However, if I'm calling a station that I haven't worked before then I'll usually call them using Tx1 which includes my grid.

As has already been observed, many (almost all?) JA stations call using Tx2 which can be slightly irritating if it's a station I haven't worked before and hence their call and grid aren't in my CALL3.TXT database - it can (and does) take a bit of time to check such a station's details in QRZ (other databases are available...!).

73
--
Martin G0HDB


locked Re: V 2.3.0 Causes DIGU to Change to DIGL #IssueReport

Dave Garber
 

I am using 2.3.1 with a flex6300.   perhaps a common setting is wrong??

here is my settings and mine stays on digiu
Dave Garber
VE3WEJ / VE3IE


On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 12:58 AM Stan K4SBZ <k4sbz.stan@...> wrote:
In v 2.3.1 and candidate release 2.4.0, with mode set to DIGU, transmitting or changing bands causes the mode to change to DIGL.

This has been reported by several users in Facebook forums. To my knowledge, all rigs were different models of Flex and were different releases of SmartSDR.

Flex Radio states that they only execute commands as sent by the software and do nothing that would cause the mode change. No other software has been observed causing this change. 

We reverted back to v 2.3.0  to alleviate the problem.
--
Stan, K4SBZ




locked Re: #BugReport DIGU Changes to DIGL in V 2.3.1 #IssueReport

Bill Somerville
 

On 21/05/2021 23:21, Stan K4SBZ wrote:
V 2.3.1 and the candidate release 2.3.0 both cause DIGU to change to DIGL. This has been noted by several members of WSJT-X Community and Flex Enthusiasts FB forums. We have had to revert back to v 2.3.0.

Rigs observed are all Flex. Flex Radio reports that they only execute commands received from software apps and could not cause the mode change. Other digital apps cause no changes. Different versions of SmartSDR have been affected.
__________
Stan, K4SBZ


 

--
Stan, K4SBZ

Hi Stan,

this is a known regression in the Hamlib library, it is fixed for the next release of WSJT-X. In the meantime you have a couple of options, either use the Flex6xxx network driver to connect directly to SmartSDR rather than the Kenwood TS-2000 emulation, or check "Settings->Radio->Mode->None" to tell WSJT-X not to attempt to set the rig's modulation mode.

73
Bill
G4WJS.


locked Re: Calling with TX2 #FT8

Chris, HB9DFG
 

Hello

If you are not sure or don't find the missing locator just send a few "PSE LOC" while staying
on your tx frequency. I am sure he will send it when he remarks this request.

I remember once there was a russian ham travelling with a ship /MM and I made a QSO
with him on 10m but did not get the LOC. Because I wanted to follow him a while on the ship
I sent a few times "SHIP NAME PSE" and I realy quickly got back "GOLDEN CIRRUS" and
I sent back "MNY TNX", so he saw I got it. On "Marinetraffic.com" I then found out where he was
anchored at the time of the QSO, so I also got his LOC!

Just ask kindly will help sometimes ;-)

Regards, Chris, HB9DFG


locked Re: Calling with TX2 #FT8

Jim Brown
 

On 5/21/2021 2:10 PM, Tom Melvin wrote:
Just bad manners really IMO
Where I live near San Francisco, I work a LOT of JA operators on 6M FT8. They NEVER send a grid -- they ALWAYS call with a signal report, and many don't even include the grid in their LOTW upload!

This CUSTOM, not a requirement.

73, Jim K9YC


locked Re: VS: [WSJTX] Calling with TX2 #FT8

Jim Brown
 

On 5/21/2021 1:06 PM, groups@... wrote:
That's the risk those operating vanity calls take.  I don't log QSOs without grids either but I do make an exception for vanity calls.
This makes zero sense. First, a "vanity call" in the US is officially issued by the FCC. The process has existed for about four decades. My call is a vanity call, replacing the machine-issued W9NEC when I moved to Chicago from WV (W8FNI). I applied for and received K9YC in 2005, and I chose to keep it when I moved to California in 2006.

Second, there is nothing sacred about the exchange of grid squares or signal reports in WSJT modes, it's simply custom. A QSO requires the exchange of callsigns, one other piece of information (it can be a name, a signal report, a grid), and RECEIPT of R for that information by both operators. THAT'S ALL! In the DX world, that second piece of information has been a signal report for as long as I can remember (65 years on the air).

If you collect grids for an award, and I do on 6M, it must be on the paper QSL that the other station sends me, or on the LOTW confirmation that he uploads. But there is ZERO requirement that the grids be exchanged on the air (except for some contests, like VHF contests and the 160M Stew Perry, a CW contest). The RTTY Makrothen also uses grids in the exchange.

73, Jim K9YC


locked Re: VS: [WSJTX] Calling with TX2 #FT8

 

Why work them if you are not going to log them? I both work them and log them, and hopefully eQSL or LotW will update the grid.

 

73 Phil GM3ZZA.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: groups@...
Sent: 21 May 2021 21:10
To: main@WSJTX.groups.io
Subject: Re: VS: [WSJTX] Calling with TX2 #FT8

 

On 21/05/2021 19:52, Reino Talarmo wrote:

> So you cannot work any vanity call operator either!

> Well, with extra effort you may get that operator to send grid as free text.

>

> 73, Reino OH3mA

>

>  

>

> Lähettäjä: main@WSJTX.groups.io [mailto:main@WSJTX.groups.io] Puolesta Pat via groups.io

> Lähetetty: 21 May 2021 17:36

> Vastaanottaja: main@WSJTX.groups.io

> Aihe: Re: [WSJTX] Calling with TX2 #FT8

>

>  

>

> I do not log qso,s with no grid information

 

 

That's the risk those operating vanity calls take.  I don't log QSOs

without grids either but I do make an exception for vanity calls.

 

73

Roger

GW4HZA

 


--
73 Phil GM3ZZA


locked V 2.3.0 Causes DIGU to Change to DIGL #IssueReport

Stan K4SBZ
 

In v 2.3.1 and candidate release 2.4.0, with mode set to DIGU, transmitting or changing bands causes the mode to change to DIGL.

This has been reported by several users in Facebook forums. To my knowledge, all rigs were different models of Flex and were different releases of SmartSDR.

Flex Radio states that they only execute commands as sent by the software and do nothing that would cause the mode change. No other software has been observed causing this change. 

We reverted back to v 2.3.0  to alleviate the problem.
--
Stan, K4SBZ


locked #BugReport DIGU Changes to DIGL in V 2.3.1 #IssueReport

Stan K4SBZ
 

V 2.3.1 and the candidate release 2.3.0 both cause DIGU to change to DIGL. This has been noted by several members of WSJT-X Community and Flex Enthusiasts FB forums. We have had to revert back to v 2.3.0.

Rigs observed are all Flex. Flex Radio reports that they only execute commands received from software apps and could not cause the mode change. Other digital apps cause no changes. Different versions of SmartSDR have been affected.
__________
Stan, K4SBZ


 

--
Stan, K4SBZ


locked Re: Calling with TX2 #FT8

Tom Melvin
 

All

One of the other reasons is contests - some require the grid sent at time of QSO - yes if people remember they can hunt up QRZ (if correct)and edit file. In reality, they don’t just post wsjtx_log.adi to contest robot and wonder why they loose points.

Always prefer to get the grid on the CQ line - mainly operate 6m and up - system uses grid to control rotator.

Just bad manners really IMO

Tom
GM8MJV

On 21 May 2021, at 21:06, groups@... wrote:

On 21/05/2021 19:52, Reino Talarmo wrote:
So you cannot work any vanity call operator either!
Well, with extra effort you may get that operator to send grid as free text.
73, Reino OH3mA
Lähettäjä: main@WSJTX.groups.io [mailto:main@WSJTX.groups.io] Puolesta Pat via groups.io
Lähetetty: 21 May 2021 17:36
Vastaanottaja: main@WSJTX.groups.io
Aihe: Re: [WSJTX] Calling with TX2 #FT8
I do not log qso,s with no grid information

That's the risk those operating vanity calls take. I don't log QSOs without grids either but I do make an exception for vanity calls.

73
Roger
GW4HZA



locked Re: FT8 CQ as for MSK144? #FT8

Gary - AG0N
 



On May 21, 2021, at 3:12 PM, Tony Collett via groups.io <tony.nbs@...> wrote:

Try reading the original post Gary!

Perhaps you should reread what I quoted in my response.  That’s what I answered, since it was pretty obvious that he was new to the mode, just coming off of VHF MSK144.

Gary - AG0N


locked Re: Field Day and FT4/8 #WSJTX_config

Richard E. Ravich
 

Thanks Bill and Neil for your help!
de WD6FIE -- Richard


locked Re: Calling with TX2 #FT8

K0GU
 

On 6m I call domestic stations with my grid. For DX I start with Tx2 as to not waste a sequence. I'll worry about the DX grid later. i want the DX in the log! Most of the time the grid will show up on LoTW if used. 
--
73,  Jay  K0GU  DN70mq


locked Re: Calling with TX2 #FT8

K8BL BOB LIDDY <k8bl@...>
 


I think I'll just call Stations with TX4 (RRR) since no one cares about
following protocol or Grid Squares or Signal Reports and everyone
is only interested in finishing a QSO as quickly as possible. Nothing
they could possibly send me is of any importance whatsoever and they
don't care about anything from me. And, I'll be sure to Log the QSO
whether I copy a response from them or not. Some day, I might find
out if we had a QSO by seeing it in LoTW, eQSL, etc. Great fun!!!

73,    Bob  K8BL








(Just kidding after reading all the various comments. HIHI)






locked Re: Calling with TX2 #FT8

Ronnie Hull - W5SUM
 

Aint it funny Lou, how topics can get skewed and a fight starts?
LOL
73 and God bless
Ronnie W5SUM

On May 21, 2021, at 5:56 PM, Lou VK3ALB <vk3alb@...> wrote:

Wow,

I asked a simple question about how to do something on WSJT-X and now we have a battle over grid squares? To those that stayed on topic, yes I choose to start with TX2 because that's what some people like and that's how some people respond to me when I call CQ. Overnight I called a whole lot of people who were happy to respond to my TX2. In the end, if I get a QSL in LoTW or eQSL or QRZ.com or Clublog I'm happy. My QSL rate is around 66%, I'm happy with that.

Regards

Lou
VK3ALB



locked Re: Calling with TX2 #FT8

Lou VK3ALB <vk3alb@...>
 

Wow,

I asked a simple question about how to do something on WSJT-X and now we have a battle over grid squares? To those that stayed on topic, yes I choose to start with TX2 because that's what some people like and that's how some people respond to me when I call CQ. Overnight I called a whole lot of people who were happy to respond to my TX2. In the end, if I get a QSL in LoTW or eQSL or QRZ.com or Clublog I'm happy. My QSL rate is around 66%, I'm happy with that.

Regards

Lou
VK3ALB


locked Re: Calling with TX2 #FT8

Tom V. Segalstad
 

The exchange of QTH grid squares is essential for VHF/UHF/SHF contesting, of the type where you get points for the QSO distance worked, and bonus points for each new 4 character grid squares.

 

For sporadic-E propagation it is very interesting to calculate the QSO distance worked, and thereby find out if it was a single skip, or a multi-skip QSO.

 

73 from Tom, LA4LN

 

 

Fra: Bob Lewis
Sendt: lørdag 22. mai 2021 kl. 00.03
Til: main@WSJTX.groups.io
Emne: Re: [WSJTX] Calling with TX2 #FT8

 

Grid squares were a VHF/UHF thing. Hams were tracking grids on 6M back in the early 1960’s on AM.

 

From: main@WSJTX.groups.io [mailto:main@WSJTX.groups.io] On Behalf Of wmmilton
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 5:57 PM
To: main@WSJTX.groups.io Group Moderators
Subject: Re: [WSJTX] Calling with TX2 #FT8

 

Hank:

 

I agree.  In 60 years of Hamming I have never asked anyone for their Grid.  Just never came up on CW or voice.

73

WG9O Skip

 

On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 4:36 PM Hank Pfizenmayer <pfizenmayer@q.com> wrote:

FWIW -- anyone who works someone using LOTW the grid will be in the LOTW details  -but of
course is subject to a rover changing that for that period of

It occurred to me that in 70 years of hamming I dont recall anyone ever asking me for my grid.

I spend wayyyyy more time listening/watching than transmitting and very seldom call a CQ.

 


--
Tom (LA4LN)


locked Re: #Cat_RigControl #FT8 #transmit KX3 - PX3 won't transmit on FT8 using WSJT-X V 2.3.1 0e7224 #Cat_RigControl #FT8 #transmit

Patrick Shannon
 

Thank you, Joe, and the rest of the group for your assistance!

I got the definitive answer today from Elecraft, showing one of the differences between my K3s and may KX3:

"While the K3 does have a built-in souncard via the USB port, the KX3 USB port does not. It can only be used for control and firmware updates. You will need to use a soundcard either internal or external to your PC and route the audio to the respective line-in ports on the soundcard. You will cable the KX3 headphone output to the mic input of your soundcard and the KX3 input to the audio output of your soundcard.

There is a complete explanation for setting up audio data modes on page 18 of the current KX3 manual including how to set audio levels. If you do not have a current manual, you can download one at our website here: https://elecraft.com/pages/manuals-downloads Just look under KX-Line manuals. 

If you have further questions or comments, please don't hesitate to contact me. 

73,
Dave, W8FGU 
Elecraft Customer Support

Thanks again, all!

73

Patrick N6KTA

On May 20, 2021, at 5:13 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists@...> wrote:


You must also connect headphone/mic on thee KX3 to Headphone/mic
(or Line IN/Line Out) connections on the laptop/sound card.

73,

  ... Joe, W4TV


On 2021-05-20 8:04 PM, Patrick Shannon via groups.io wrote:
Can I properly interface my KX3 with my pc laptop for WSJT-X FT8 with just a USB connection or do I have to also connect between the Headphone/Mic connections on the laptop and the KX3?
Thank you!
Patrick N6KTA
On May 19, 2021, at 7:15 PM, neil_zampella <neilz@...> wrote:

You don't need any 'commercial' interface with the KX3.    A good USB soundcard, and the audio cables is all you need.   I set mine up about 8 years ago using the instructions from Fred Cady's great KX3 book.

Neil, KN3ILZ

On 5/19/2021 8:22 PM, Lance Collister, W7GJ wrote:
This is the setup I use on my KX3 when I am operating FT8 on SOTA activations:

http://www.bigskyspaces.com/w7gj/KX3.htm <http://www.bigskyspaces.com/w7gj/KX3.htm>
Worked slick as can be for two 10 point activations last week.  I just wish the RBN would spot FT8 stations sending "CQ SOTA"...

GL and VY 73, Lance

On 5/19/2021 17:57, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

How are you connecting audio to the KX3?  The KX3 has no
built-in sound card so you will need a sound card and some
connections to the rig audio in and audio out.

Without audio to the rig, the KX3 will not transmit FT8 (or
any other digital mode except PSK31/RTTY using the Elecraft
terminal emulation).

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 2021-05-19 1:49 PM, Patrick Shannon via groups.io wrote:
Hi, Neil! Thank you for replying to my post!

I use a direct USB connection between the computers and the rig. If using the KX3 alone, I connect the USB cable to “ACC1" port on the KX3. If using the KX3 - PX3 combination, I connect the USB cable to the "ACC1 PC” port on the PX3 and interconnect the KX3 and PX3 via the usual Elecraft double cable assembly.

Thanks for helping!

Patrick N6KTA


On May 18, 2021, at 9:28 PM, neil_zampella <neilz@...> <mailto:neilz@...> wrote:

What are you using for an audio interface?   I am a KX3 owner so knowing exactly how you're connected to the computer would help.

Neil, KN3ILZ

On 5/18/2021 12:04 PM, Patrick Shannon via groups.io wrote:
Hi, Bill!

Thanks for your assistance! The “Data/Pkt” box was already checked, “Data” shows on the rig's LCD display, and I have varied the MIC gain between the full and half settings: still no power output.  😢

Any other ideas, group?

Thanks!

Patrick N6KTA

On May 18, 2021, at 1:06 AM, Bill Somerville <g4wjs@... <mailto:g4wjs@...> <mailto:g4wjs@...> <mailto:g4wjs@...>> wrote:

On 18/05/2021 00:45, pshann1 via groups.io <http://groups.io/> <http://groups.io/> wrote:
Hello everyone! I'm new to the group and can't get my KX3 to transmit using WSJT-X  v2.3.1 0e7224. ( As background, I am also using a K3s on both my MAC and my Windows 10 laptop on WSJT-x without problems.)

The K3s works properly on both the MAC and the PC laptop. 50 states and 78 countries, FT8 on 20m, in the log using this setup, almost all with the MAC.
The KX3 won't transmit on either computer. Zero watts show on my wattmeter.
The KX3 transmits with over 10 W indicated using the "tune" function on the KX3.
KX3 audio performance seems sketchy, but the unit receives and decodes with the audio volume turned up loud.
WSJT-X seems to properly control the KX3 using the CAT functions: Under Settings --> Radio --> Test CAT the button turns green and the Test PTT cycles the KX3 transmitter, but with zero watts on the wattmeter.
Placing a call under WSJT-X appears to work properly, the transmit light on the rig lights at the proper time, but zero watts on the wattmeter.
WSJT-X settings under "Radio" include baud rate 38400, Default Data bits, Default Stop bits, Default Handshake, nothing in DTR & RTS, CAT selected, and Rig for Split Operations. All are the same and working for the K3s rig. The only change is the rig designation: K3s vs. KX3.
Under Audio the same selections are used that work with the K3s.
I have tested my setup without the PX3 with no change.
The connection from the KX3 to either of the computers uses the USB port on the MAC or PC and the "ACC1" port on the KX3 or the "ACC1 PC" port if the PX3 is in the chain.
I've been through the settings in the KX3 a number of times, since I would guess that my problem lies there, but I can't find the glitch.
I'm too big to cry and it hurts too much to laugh!

HELP!

Patrick N6KTA
Hi Patrick,

do you have "Settings->Radio->Mode->Data/Pkt" checked? That will ensure you rig uses USB-DATA mode with WSJT-X. You need to select DATA-A for the data mode on your rig and also note that the MIC GAIN control becomes the audio line level control in DATA-A Tx mode.

73
Bill
G4WJS.




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