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locked Re: #Q65 Managing Expectations #Q65

 

Good morning,
I must admit, for the very first "shot" of Q65 it works great. Can't wait for improvements...
Its" lockdown-time" and what else can you do : This week I ran my "personal testseries" with some stations on 6m and 2m and compared it with the "known modes" My first impression is, that under marginal conditions, where the signal was barely visible in the waterfall, I got lot better results than with FT8. But there are not yet so many stations being QRV in Q65 at the same time. It is early in the year and the season yet to come.
The mode Q65_60C outperformed JT65A each time of my 7 tests. Next week I will have the chance to try it on 23cm EME.
So, keep up the fine work.
73 de Christoph (DF9CY)


locked #transmit #FT8 #transmit #FT8

Scott Eckert
 

I recently noticed that while xmitting FT8 on my IC-7300 the entire audio spectrum is occasionally (maybe 5-10% of the time) all combined into what looks like a broadband 2-3KHz spectrum with the intended sub-band just peaking above the display. Has anyone else seen this or have any suggestions on where to start looking? 73 - Thanks - Scott


locked Re: Stopping Individual Messages - How? #GeneralGroupInfo

Jim Bennett <w6jhb@...>
 

Andy, 

I changed my call recently from W6JHB to K7TXA. When I log into groups.io and go to my Account, it shows me as w6jhb@..., which, for the time being is the correct and valid email address. If I look at my WSJTX subscription, it shows me as getting Daily Summary.

At one time I had been using w6JHB@... for my email address, but I no longer receive any groups.io messages to that account. Yeah, confusing, I know.

So, where are you looking to see that I get individual messages?


Jim Bennett
Folsom, CA

K7TXA (ex W6JHB as of 1/22/2021)

Being retired doesn't mean I'm not part of the work force - just that I'm not forced to work!



On Feb 12, 2021, at 6:04 PM, Andrew OBrien <k3ukandy@...> wrote:

Jim your account is still set to "individual messages"

Andy K3UK 




locked Re: Stopping Individual Messages - How? #GeneralGroupInfo

Dave W6OQ
 

In just this message stream it looks like he is posting from two different accounts/subscriptions - no wonder he is getting so many messages! LOL


locked Re: A Few Minor Q65 Things to Report #WSJTX_config #Q65

Rex Moncur
 

Hi David

 

You are right this feature is not implemented on the A and B sub-modes which is probably an oversight for a Beta test version.  But it does work well on the C, D and E sub-modes that are primarily used for weak signal microwave EME and Terrestrial where this feature is used. 

 

73 Rex VK7MO

 

 

From: main@WSJTX.groups.io [mailto:main@WSJTX.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Ackrill
Sent: Saturday, 13 February 2021 10:37 AM
To: main@WSJTX.groups.io
Subject: Re: [WSJTX] A Few Minor Q65 Things to Report #WSJTX_config #Q65

 

Hi Rex,

No, they don't, at least not in some modes of Q65.

For example, Q65 30A looks like this with Sh selected...

 


locked Re: Stopping Individual Messages - How? #GeneralGroupInfo

Andrew OBrien
 

Jim your account is still set to "individual messages"

Andy K3UK 


locked Re: Stopping Individual Messages - How? #GeneralGroupInfo

Andrew OBrien
 

Last time someone had this issue, it turns out that had subscribed twice with different emails and one account was set yo all messages.  I'll take a look under the hood for you.

Andy K3UK 


locked Re: #Q65 Managing Expectations #Q65

 

Another way to say that , David, is: “…there is no ‘free lunch’…”

 

But, then again, I don’t have a Nobel, the program is free and its winter…

 

I’m willing to give it a try, and in the meantime, Thank you, Joe and the WSJT Team

 

73, Ted

K7TRK

 

From: main@WSJTX.groups.io On Behalf Of David Ackrill
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2021 4:19 PM
To: main@WSJTX.groups.io
Subject: [WSJTX] #Q65 Managing Expectations

 

There's been a lot of excitement and expectation that has been created by the release of the Q65 series of modes, in my opinion.

There's been chatter about these being "the next new..." enter your mode here...

However, from what I've seen so far, Q65 *is not* a replacement for FT8 or FT4 and it certainly isn't going to be a major fast mode for quick contacts during short propagation modes such as Sporadic-E.  I don't think it was ever designed as such, but some peoples expectations seem to be that they wanted it to be.

There have been comments, on chat rooms that I've been part of, about it being "Slow" and problems with fading or not seeing any signals.

Well, if there is no signal, you cannot copy anything. I keep saying something from the series 'Star Trek' the Chief Engineer, Scotty, says "Ye canna change the laws of physics, Captain" and he is right.  If there is no signal, you wont see any decodes. However, if there is a slight signal and you are prepared to wait for several periods of TX and RX you might piece together a signal and see messages that are built up over time.  It will *not* be as fast as an FT8 QSO, you won't be able to work 20 DXCC countries in 20 minutes, because *it just doesn't work like that*.

Maybe, eventually, the "work them fast and move on" people will migrate back to FT8 or FT4 and those who are prepared to wait a while, let the system average the signal over a few cycles and, eventually, complete a contact will work a few more km over marginal paths that need a bit more time to complete...

Dave (G0DJA)

 


locked #Q65 Managing Expectations #Q65

David Ackrill
 

There's been a lot of excitement and expectation that has been created by the release of the Q65 series of modes, in my opinion.

There's been chatter about these being "the next new..." enter your mode here...

However, from what I've seen so far, Q65 *is not* a replacement for FT8 or FT4 and it certainly isn't going to be a major fast mode for quick contacts during short propagation modes such as Sporadic-E.  I don't think it was ever designed as such, but some peoples expectations seem to be that they wanted it to be.

There have been comments, on chat rooms that I've been part of, about it being "Slow" and problems with fading or not seeing any signals.

Well, if there is no signal, you cannot copy anything. I keep saying something from the series 'Star Trek' the Chief Engineer, Scotty, says "Ye canna change the laws of physics, Captain" and he is right.  If there is no signal, you wont see any decodes. However, if there is a slight signal and you are prepared to wait for several periods of TX and RX you might piece together a signal and see messages that are built up over time.  It will *not* be as fast as an FT8 QSO, you won't be able to work 20 DXCC countries in 20 minutes, because *it just doesn't work like that*.

Maybe, eventually, the "work them fast and move on" people will migrate back to FT8 or FT4 and those who are prepared to wait a while, let the system average the signal over a few cycles and, eventually, complete a contact will work a few more km over marginal paths that need a bit more time to complete...

Dave (G0DJA)

 


locked Re: A Few Minor Q65 Things to Report #WSJTX_config #Q65

neil_zampella <neilz@...>
 

Obviously no one takes the time to read the Q65 Quick Start guide ...  https://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/k1jt/Q65_Quick_Start.pdf

Neil, KN3ILZ

On 2/12/2021 5:47 PM, David Ackrill wrote:

Yes Bill,

I agree, but that's not what many operators who are testing Q65 seem to be expecting...

They are, maybe wrongly, assuming that Q65 will somehow replace FT8 or FT4.  Much of the testing, that I've seen so far on 6M, is people looking at specific audio frequencies and trying to pick out other stations on specific audio frequencies.

Once single audio transmissions on non-frequency dependant settings start happening then, I guess, people not used to EME style systems, are going to start to wonder about Q65.

Already I am seeing comments about how 'slow' Q65 is compared with FT8 and, I guess, people are expecting something that will be "better" than FT8 and quicker...

 





locked Re: A Few Minor Q65 Things to Report #WSJTX_config #Q65

David Ackrill
 

Yes Bill,

I agree, but that's not what many operators who are testing Q65 seem to be expecting...

They are, maybe wrongly, assuming that Q65 will somehow replace FT8 or FT4.  Much of the testing, that I've seen so far on 6M, is people looking at specific audio frequencies and trying to pick out other stations on specific audio frequencies.

Once single audio transmissions on non-frequency dependant settings start happening then, I guess, people not used to EME style systems, are going to start to wonder about Q65.

Already I am seeing comments about how 'slow' Q65 is compared with FT8 and, I guess, people are expecting something that will be "better" than FT8 and quicker...

 


locked Re: A Few Minor Q65 Things to Report #WSJTX_config #Q65

David Ackrill
 

Hi Rex,

No, they don't, at least not in some modes of Q65.

For example, Q65 30A looks like this with Sh selected...

 


locked Re: A Few Minor Q65 Things to Report #WSJTX_config #Q65

Joe Dz
 

OK Bill.  Thanks.  Interesting.  Thank you for the reply.

 

Joe, K1YOW

 

 


From: main@WSJTX.groups.io [mailto:main@WSJTX.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Somerville
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2021 3:53 PM
To: main@WSJTX.groups.io
Subject: Re: [WSJTX] A Few Minor Q65 Things to Report #WSJTX_config #Q65

 

Hi Joe,

 

that is expected behaviour. The short code messages in Q65 mode *are* single tones. Single tones are used by some EME operators to complete QSOs with maximum sensitivity.

 

73
Bill
G4WJS.

 

On 12/02/2021 20:48, Joe Dz wrote:

I found out what the issue was, and it is not configuration change related but it only happens when in Q65.

 

On the IC-9700, I had Sh checked from the last time I ran MSK144 on 2 meters.  So, no matter which rig or configuration, clicking on Sh changes the Tx6 box from CQ K1YOW FN42 to @1000 (TUNE).  If I uncheck Sh, the CQ K1YOW FN42 comes back.  Likewise checking and un-checking Sh also toggles the Tx6 check box from grayed-out to not.

 

So....I accidently had Sh checked in Q65 mode, but it may still be unwanted behavior replacing CQ K1YOW FN42 with @1000 (TUNE) when Sh is checked.

 

Joe, K1YOW

 

 


From: main@WSJTX.groups.io [mailto:main@WSJTX.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joe Dz
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2021 2:28 PM
To: main@WSJTX.groups.io
Subject: [WSJTX] A Few Minor Q65 Things to Report #WSJTX_config #Q65

 

All seems to work well.  Just a couple of small things to report so far.  I run a TR590SG in one configuration and an IC-9700 in a second configuration.  Running V2.4.0-rc1, Windows 10, 64 bit.

1. In the TS590SG configuration on 50.275, Q65-30A, the Tx6 check box next to the Call 1st is gray and can not be checked.  All else seems to work just fine.

2. When I change configurations to the IC-9700 and go to 144.170 Q65-30A, the Tx6 check box is no longer gray.  However, my CQ K1YOW FN42 inside of Tx6 now reads: @1000 (TUNE).  If I put in CQ K1YOW FN42, all is OK for the CQ.  I then switched back to the TS590SG and Tx6 still has my call.  So just to see, I switched again to the IC-9700 configuration, and Tx6 again showed @1000 (TUNE) instead of CQ K1YOW FN42.

All in all, I have V2.4.0-rc1 working fine so far and it coexists just fine with fldigi as well using W10 64 bits.

73, Joe, K1YOW

 


locked Re: A Few Minor Q65 Things to Report #WSJTX_config #Q65

Rex Moncur
 

Hi Dave

 

The spectrum below the waterfall has indicator letters T, M, R and 73 which correspond to the single tones and they move with reference to the frequency you are working such as 600 Hz to they still read correctly.

 

73 Rex VK7MO

 

From: main@WSJTX.groups.io [mailto:main@WSJTX.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Ackrill
Sent: Saturday, 13 February 2021 8:29 AM
To: main@WSJTX.groups.io
Subject: Re: [WSJTX] A Few Minor Q65 Things to Report #WSJTX_config #Q65

 

I did a quick test toggling the "Sh" box and the "Tx6" box.

I guess that "Sh" stands for 'Shorthand', as in the Shorthand messaging used in other modes?

So, clicking on "Sh" changes Tx4 to "@1500(RRRR) which I guess means it's going to transmit the shorthand message "RRR" at 1500Hz audio offset? It also sets Tx5 to @1750 (73) and Tx6 to @1000 (Tune).

Clicking on the Tx6 box changed the Tx6 option to @1250 (SEND MSGS), I'm not sure what will do?  Will it just send "SEND MSGS" on 1250Hz audio offset?  What will that mean or do?  I guess we will have to wait for the full explanation in the updated manual.

If I am correct about the @X frequencies being the audio frequency used to send the various texts in the brackets, then people are going to need to know because, at present, the testing I've seen going on has been audio frequency specific.  So, someone is, say, using 600Hz, someone else, say, 1000Hz, another on 1500Hz and so on up the audio bandwidth. If stations suddenly start using these Sh options, and if I'm right about what the @X means, then it is going to start causing a bit of confusion, I think...

Cheers - Dave (G0DJA)


locked Re: A Few Minor Q65 Things to Report #WSJTX_config #Q65

Rex Moncur
 

Hi Joe

 

Checking Sh to send single tones such as @1000 Hz = tune,  @1250 Hz=Send Messages, @1500 Hz=RRR and @1750 Hz=73 is the expected behaviour.  It is used to complete very weak or marginal QSOs on microwaves as has been implemented on QRA64  for the last few years and now on Q65.  See below.  If the pictures don't get through this reflector send me and email to rmoncur  AT bigpond.net.au and I will send your this email direct.

 

 

 

 

While Single tones  can also be used at VHF one needs to take more care to make sure they derive from the station you are working so they probably won't generally be used at VHF where there are many more stations operating.  The SH double tones as used on JT65 are no longer available  as these are 3 dB weaker than single tones and have little advantage with the more sensitive Q65.  But their use is still subject to review by the Development Team.

 

On receive you read the Single tones directly from the waterfall or if signals are very weak you read them from the Linear Average Spectrum Graph which integrates them over the full TX period.  On QRA64 the use of these tones  gives 4 to 5 dB advantage in completing a QSO after callsigns and full numerical reports are exchanged in the normal way.  As Q65 is more sensitive you won't get quite this much benefit.    To get the 1250 Hz tone you need to tick the TX6 box next to Call 1st which changes the message in TX6 box from 1000 Hz to 1250 Hz as below:

 

 

 

 

 

73 Rex VK7MO


locked Re: #Cat_RigControl #mac #Cat_RigControl #macOS

smith.rip@...
 

Thanks for the replies and suggestions. I tried all of them but no luck. The frustrating part is that this combination of hardware was working great not that long ago. In between I was using and Icom 7300 that was also working very nicely. But a couple of days ago it suddenly wasn't connecting. I had moved a couple of things around in the shack and I was not sure what was going on so I moved the Kenwood in. At first the Kenwood would not connect either. Then earlier today it connected and I am still not sure what I did to solve that. But WSJTX still wont connect with the radio.

So I am stumped.

--
73, Rip K3XO


locked Re: Lost audio #AudioIssues

Dennis Jacobson
 

I looked and looked but I can't seem to find a RigBlaster forum.. Does anyone know where that one is?
Thanks all Dennis N6NG


locked Re: #Cat_RigControl #mac #Cat_RigControl #macOS

Kenneth Williams
 

I have a TS-570S but I am going to guess that a few things are similar so let me throw out an idea.

Change the handshake to hardware.  My TS-570S uses a hardware handshake and I don't know if this is changable in the menu so that would be my first guess.


Ken
KC6PUQ


locked Re: A Few Minor Q65 Things to Report #WSJTX_config #Q65

Bill Somerville
 

Hi Joe,

that is expected behaviour. The short code messages in Q65 mode *are* single tones. Single tones are used by some EME operators to complete QSOs with maximum sensitivity.

73
Bill
G4WJS.

On 12/02/2021 20:48, Joe Dz wrote:

I found out what the issue was, and it is not configuration change related but it only happens when in Q65.

 

On the IC-9700, I had Sh checked from the last time I ran MSK144 on 2 meters.  So, no matter which rig or configuration, clicking on Sh changes the Tx6 box from CQ K1YOW FN42 to @1000 (TUNE).  If I uncheck Sh, the CQ K1YOW FN42 comes back.  Likewise checking and un-checking Sh also toggles the Tx6 check box from grayed-out to not.

 

So....I accidently had Sh checked in Q65 mode, but it may still be unwanted behavior replacing CQ K1YOW FN42 with @1000 (TUNE) when Sh is checked.

 

Joe, K1YOW

 

 


From: main@WSJTX.groups.io [mailto:main@WSJTX.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joe Dz
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2021 2:28 PM
To: main@WSJTX.groups.io
Subject: [WSJTX] A Few Minor Q65 Things to Report #WSJTX_config #Q65

 

All seems to work well.  Just a couple of small things to report so far.  I run a TR590SG in one configuration and an IC-9700 in a second configuration.  Running V2.4.0-rc1, Windows 10, 64 bit.

1. In the TS590SG configuration on 50.275, Q65-30A, the Tx6 check box next to the Call 1st is gray and can not be checked.  All else seems to work just fine.

2. When I change configurations to the IC-9700 and go to 144.170 Q65-30A, the Tx6 check box is no longer gray.  However, my CQ K1YOW FN42 inside of Tx6 now reads: @1000 (TUNE).  If I put in CQ K1YOW FN42, all is OK for the CQ.  I then switched back to the TS590SG and Tx6 still has my call.  So just to see, I switched again to the IC-9700 configuration, and Tx6 again showed @1000 (TUNE) instead of CQ K1YOW FN42.

All in all, I have V2.4.0-rc1 working fine so far and it coexists just fine with fldigi as well using W10 64 bits.

73, Joe, K1YOW



locked Re: #Cat_RigControl #mac #Cat_RigControl #macOS

Dave Garber
 

in windows,   8 , none, 1  and also had to have dtr and rts   high, maybe your should also be that way

Dave Garber
VE3WEJ / VE3IE


On Fri, Feb 12, 2021 at 4:19 PM <smith.rip@...> wrote:
Hello all

I just swapped in my Kenwood TS-590sg and attempted to get it up and running with WSJTX. I had had this setup working nicely a few months ago but I put in a different radio for a while.

When I had difficulties ended up updating my logging program (MacLoggerDX) and JSJTX as well as the Silicon Labs USB drivers that are required for the radio.

What I get is this error:

Hamlib error: Communication timed out

rig.c(972):rig_open return while opening connection to rig

Here is my WJTX Configuration. As far as I can tell it is no different from when it was working OK before



When I have the logging program and WSJTX open I can receive and display the traffic on the air. I just don't seem to be able to connect so I can transmit and make contacts.

I am at this point stumped as to what to do to get it working. Will appreciate some guidance.
--
73, Rip K3XO


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