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locked Re: WSJT-X Mac version time issue

Chuck Reti WV8A
 

As I mentioned in a thread elsewhere, I was having time drift issues which went away after upgrading from High Sierra to Mojave a few months ago.

Chuck
WV8A


locked Re: dimension 4

Dave (NK7Z)
 

Upthread a bit, I asked for the address of the author of a different program's download site. A helpful Amateur operator provided that address, (thank you), while another, suggested I, "do a google search, thats [SIC] how I found it".

I of course had done a Google search prior to asking, and received 4K responses from Google.

The post quoted below states exactly why I wanted the address of the Authors site, and asked, as opposed to picking some other site in error.

I did not know who wrote the program, so I asked... That is why I always try and assist someone, as opposed to sending them to Google while not knowing why they asked.

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 5/23/20 3:10 PM, Dave_G0WBX via groups.io wrote:

If D4 has been abandoned, and the original download site is gone, then
in this day and age, I'd be VERY careful where you download it from
now.


locked Re: dimension 4

Dave_G0WBX
 

Someone said:-  With just about any cheap GPS you can dump the internet
and all it's problems by running BKTtimesync which was written by a ham.

Someone else replied :- Good idea unless you need it on multiple
machines. That can get expensive fast. I have no trouble with Nettime
but D4 usually works too.


Rubbish!.  Use a Rasberry Pi and ONE (or more) GPS receiver(s), and make
yourself a NTP server.   Low cost, works well, no reliance on internet
time (so good for portable / emcom etc.)  And you can then sync multiple
PC's (all types) to that just fine.

If you "Need" fallback, in case a bird pirches on your single GPS RX and
blocks the signal, or it breaks, then you can still use i'net time via
the same Pi, if needed (and available) with automatic fallback.  But the
holdover is usually very good anyway.

Pi's and GPS RX's are cheap enough, even the better ones with a PPS
output, to have more than one setup for a cluster of other machines to use.

You could probably do much the same with Meinberg too, one or more GPS
equipped master(s), others sync'ing to that one.  What you don't want,
are circular references.

If D4 has been abandoned, and the original download site is gone, then
in this day and age, I'd be VERY careful where you download it from
now.  If anyone has a verified clean copy of the last official installer
from the authors site, then they could create a AES256 bit checksum of
it, that others can use to verify other downloads of the same version.

It is not unknown, for third party download sites to embed "other stuff"
in the install, that you will not want.

If nothing else, submit the alternative download to the VirusTotal
website.  If anything extra was included, that usually finds it. As I
recently found when I was looking for a CH340 driver for an old XP box
at work.  The "recommended" one was infested.  Luckily, VT and our own
AV flagged it, to the point where I could remove the extra file, so all
was good.

Take care with old software from third party download sites.   There is
big $'s in malware these days..

73.

    Dave G0WBX.

--
Created on and sent from a Unix like PC running and using free and open source software:


locked Re: WSJT-X Mac version time issue

Brian Wilkins <bwilkins@...>
 

I am running High Sierra and have this problem 

On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 5:36 PM <K7GQ@...> wrote:
Only as a matter of a FYI - I am not experiencing this with High Sierra.

Harry  K7GQ
--
Brian Wilkins
KO4AQF


locked Re: WSJT-X Mac version time issue

K7GQ
 

Only as a matter of a FYI - I am not experiencing this with High Sierra.

Harry  K7GQ


locked Re: WSJT-X Mac version time issue

Brian Wilkins <bwilkins@...>
 

I have the same problem. I had to setup a crontab to manually sync every minute to a NIST time server. 

It would be super helpful to see a debug from WSJtX somewhere (maybe it’s there) to see which packets were dropped due to time. Or even a counter.

On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 4:54 PM Bill Somerville <g4wjs@...> wrote:
On 23/05/2020 21:43, Dana Shtun wrote:
> Hi All
>
> The new version 2.2 RC1 seems to be running very well here on my Mac, with only a few weird false decodes in FT8 running normal search.
>
> The only problem Ive seen is when things get busy, the clock tends to drift off
> By as much as 10 seconds…this seems to be Catalina related as I’ve never seen this.
>
> I have to manually go in and tell it to resynch to the time server.
>
> 1. Has anyone noticed this on the Mac version?
> 2. Any suggestions for Catalina to fix this or force the software to check the time more often?
>
> Ive changed the internal battery as well but this issue only shows up with WSJT-X!
>
> Thanks
> Dana VE3DS
> FN03 Toronto

Hi Dana,

are you reporting that the clock on the WSJT-X main window is not
showing the same time as is shown on the system menu bar?

73
Bill
G4WJS.


--
Brian Wilkins
KO4AQF


locked Re: WSJT-X Mac version time issue

Bill Somerville
 

On 23/05/2020 21:43, Dana Shtun wrote:
Hi All

The new version 2.2 RC1 seems to be running very well here on my Mac, with only a few weird false decodes in FT8 running normal search.

The only problem Ive seen is when things get busy, the clock tends to drift off
By as much as 10 seconds…this seems to be Catalina related as I’ve never seen this.

I have to manually go in and tell it to resynch to the time server.

1. Has anyone noticed this on the Mac version?
2. Any suggestions for Catalina to fix this or force the software to check the time more often?

Ive changed the internal battery as well but this issue only shows up with WSJT-X!

Thanks
Dana VE3DS
FN03 Toronto
Hi Dana,

are you reporting that the clock on the WSJT-X main window is not showing the same time as is shown on the system menu bar?

73
Bill
G4WJS.


locked WSJT-X Mac version time issue

Dana Shtun
 

Hi All

The new version 2.2 RC1 seems to be running very well here on my Mac, with only a few weird false decodes in FT8 running normal search.

The only problem Ive seen is when things get busy, the clock tends to drift off
By as much as 10 seconds…this seems to be Catalina related as I’ve never seen this.

I have to manually go in and tell it to resynch to the time server.

1. Has anyone noticed this on the Mac version?
2. Any suggestions for Catalina to fix this or force the software to check the time more often?

Ive changed the internal battery as well but this issue only shows up with WSJT-X!

Thanks
Dana VE3DS
FN03 Toronto


locked Re: dimension 4

Steve Lund
 

That essentially the problem I ran into with Dim4.

Dim4 worked perfectly on my WinXP and Win7 PCs. When I upgraded to a Win10Pro64 PC, Dim4 didn't really work. It would hold the time to +/-0.5s,  not the few ms that Win7 did. I never figured out how to fix that so I installed Meinberg (in a non-Win controlled directory) and have had no issues.

Steve, K6UM


On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 11:16 PM Paul Braun <pbraun42@...> wrote:
I used to think Dim4 was working fine, until recently when I finally had time to dive into FT-8. Then I started noticing a pretty big drift from day to day (Win10x64) until I manually told it to "Synchronize now." It wasn't as big a deal with the few times I played with JT-65. Now, it was very obvious that my radio was keying a split-second after everyone else's.

I just uninstalled Dim4 and installed the Meinberg client that Ria suggested. I'll see how it compares.

On 5/22/20 17:03 : , K8BL BOB LIDDY wrote:
Bob & Rob....
 Thanks for the reassurance. Previous posts made it sound like
  Dim-4 wouldn't update the computer clock (and thus WSJTX)
  unless it was forced to. Since installing DIM-4, the computer
  has stayed in sync without my intervention whatsoever 24/7
  through hundreds of On/Off cycles.
TNX/73,    Bob  K8BL


On Friday, May 22, 2020, 05:41:06 PM EDT, Bob Lewis <aa4pb@...> wrote:


Dimension 4 does not interface with WSJT-x, it only sets the Windows clock. It should work fine with any version of WSJT-x.

 


-- 
Paul Braun WD9GCO
Amateur Radio Newsline Anchor


locked Re: Recovery

Lars Berg
 

Sorry. The page is https://www.rickmurphy.net/lotwquery.html

 

Skickades från E-post för Windows 10

 

Från: Lars Berg
Skickat: den 23 maj 2020 21:45
Till: WSJTX@groups.io
Ämne: Re: [WSJTX] Recovery

 

You can download your log, confirmed an unconfirmed QSO’s from

 

 

Skickades från E-post för Windows 10

 

Från: K8BL BOB LIDDY
Skickat: den 23 maj 2020 21:29
Till: WSJTX@groups.io
Ämne: Re: [WSJTX] Recovery

 

Kyle,

 

I found it at the Link, below. (Very Cool!!)

 

TNX/73,     Bob  K8BL

 

 

 

 

On Saturday, May 23, 2020, 02:08:51 PM EDT, Kyle K7KE <kyle@...> wrote:

 

 

Next time around get yourself a REAL backup program. I wouldn't touch Windows 10 built-in capabilities with a 10 ft. pole. At Minitool.com download the free version of MiniTool Shadowmaker. It is a rock solid backup program with a very simple to understand UI.

Kyle
K7KE

 

 


locked Re: Recovery

Lars Berg
 

You can download your log, confirmed an unconfirmed QSO’s from

 

 

Skickades från E-post för Windows 10

 

Från: K8BL BOB LIDDY
Skickat: den 23 maj 2020 21:29
Till: WSJTX@groups.io
Ämne: Re: [WSJTX] Recovery

 

Kyle,

 

I found it at the Link, below. (Very Cool!!)

 

TNX/73,     Bob  K8BL

 

 

 

 

On Saturday, May 23, 2020, 02:08:51 PM EDT, Kyle K7KE <kyle@...> wrote:

 

 

Next time around get yourself a REAL backup program. I wouldn't touch Windows 10 built-in capabilities with a 10 ft. pole. At Minitool.com download the free version of MiniTool Shadowmaker. It is a rock solid backup program with a very simple to understand UI.

Kyle
K7KE

 


locked Re: Recovery

K8BL BOB LIDDY <k8bl@...>
 

Kyle,

I found it at the Link, below. (Very Cool!!)

TNX/73,     Bob  K8BL




On Saturday, May 23, 2020, 02:08:51 PM EDT, Kyle K7KE <kyle@...> wrote:


Next time around get yourself a REAL backup program. I wouldn't touch Windows 10 built-in capabilities with a 10 ft. pole. At Minitool.com download the free version of MiniTool Shadowmaker. It is a rock solid backup program with a very simple to understand UI.

Kyle
K7KE


locked Re: Recovery

Kyle K7UU
 

Next time around get yourself a REAL backup program. I wouldn't touch Windows 10 built-in capabilities with a 10 ft. pole. At Minitool.com download the free version of MiniTool Shadowmaker. It is a rock solid backup program with a very simple to understand UI.

Kyle
K7KE


locked Re: dimension 4

Dave (NK7Z)
 

Thanks sir!

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 5/23/20 9:08 AM, Charlie Morrison wrote:
Hi Dave
It's here
https://www.maniaradio.it/en/bkttimesync.html
73 de Charlie GI4FUE
-----Original Message-----
From: WSJTX@groups.io [mailto:WSJTX@groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Cole
Sent: 23 May 2020 17:06
To: WSJTX@groups.io
Subject: Re: [WSJTX] dimension 4
While I have used D4 for years, (and had an almost perfect run with it),
it seems it is time to move on...
Running non supported software, is never a good idea. Just because a piece of software still works, does not necessarily make it the best, or even a good choice for use.
In fact, non supported software should not be used at all, especially when supported software exists, that does the same job, as reliability as the non supported software.
Unless a support channel comes to light very soon for D4, (which I doubt), and based on what I have seen so far, I will be moving on to BKTtimesync as a test.
It would have been nice to have had D4 put into open source prior to the removal of support.
All of that said, does anyone know what the authors site for download of BKTtimesync is?
73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
On 5/23/20 8:38 AM, Gilbert Baron wrote:
Good idea unless you need it on multiple machines. That can get expensive fast. I have no trouble with Nettime but D4 usually works too.

Outlook Laptop Gil W0MN
Hierro candente, batir de repente
44.08226N 92.51265W EN34rb

-----Original Message-----
From: WSJTX@groups.io <WSJTX@groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Lorenzini
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 10:33
To: WSJTX@groups.io
Subject: Re: [WSJTX] dimension 4

With just about any cheap GPS you can dump the internet and all it's problems by running BKTtimesync which was written by a ham.

Bob - wd6dod






locked Re: dimension 4

Kyle K7UU
 

Bob is right on. I did away with Internet-based sync programs a year ago. A cheap USB dongle GPS receiver for about $25 is all you need: https://amzn.to/2zgHFdX

P.S. My QTH has a metal roof and it still works perfectly.

Kyle
K7KE


locked Re: dimension 4

Bruce N7XGR
 

Charlie,  The BKT is the one I use and have had no problems.
I have it set for a Stratum Server 80 miles away.

Bruce  N7XGR


On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 1:43 PM Charlie Morrison <charlie@...> wrote:
Hi Dave

It's here

https://www.maniaradio.it/en/bkttimesync.html

73 de Charlie GI4FUE

-----Original Message-----
From: WSJTX@groups.io [mailto:WSJTX@groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Cole
Sent: 23 May 2020 17:06
To: WSJTX@groups.io
Subject: Re: [WSJTX] dimension 4

While I have used D4 for years, (and had an almost perfect run with it),
  it seems it is time to move on...

Running non supported software, is never a good idea.  Just because a piece of software still works, does not necessarily make it the best, or even a good choice for use.

In fact, non supported software should not be used at all, especially when supported software exists, that does the same job, as reliability as the non supported software.

Unless a support channel comes to light very soon for D4, (which I doubt), and based on what I have seen so far, I will be moving on to BKTtimesync as a test.

It would have been nice to have had D4 put into open source prior to the removal of support.

All of that said, does anyone know what the authors site for download of BKTtimesync is?

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 5/23/20 8:38 AM, Gilbert Baron wrote:
> Good idea unless you need it on multiple machines. That can get expensive fast. I have no trouble with Nettime but D4 usually works too.
>
> Outlook Laptop Gil W0MN
> Hierro candente, batir de repente
> 44.08226N 92.51265W EN34rb
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WSJTX@groups.io <WSJTX@groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Lorenzini
> Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 10:33
> To: WSJTX@groups.io
> Subject: Re: [WSJTX] dimension 4
>
> With just about any cheap GPS you can dump the internet and all it's problems by running BKTtimesync which was written by a ham.
>
> Bob - wd6dod
>
>
>
>
>
>



locked Re: dimension 4

Jim - N4ST
 

Went to the $20 GPS dongles a few years ago.
I set the USB port to remain powered on even when the computers are off, so millisecond accuracy at boot up.
As Forest Gump said, "That's one less thing to worry about."

________________
73,
Jim - N4ST

-----Original Message-----
From: WSJTX@groups.io <WSJTX@groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Lorenzini
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 11:33
To: WSJTX@groups.io
Subject: Re: [WSJTX] dimension 4

With just about any cheap GPS you can dump the internet and all it's
problems by running BKTtimesync which was written by a ham.

Bob - wd6dod


locked Re: dimension 4

Charlie Morrison
 

Hi Dave

It's here

https://www.maniaradio.it/en/bkttimesync.html

73 de Charlie GI4FUE

-----Original Message-----
From: WSJTX@groups.io [mailto:WSJTX@groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Cole
Sent: 23 May 2020 17:06
To: WSJTX@groups.io
Subject: Re: [WSJTX] dimension 4

While I have used D4 for years, (and had an almost perfect run with it),
it seems it is time to move on...

Running non supported software, is never a good idea. Just because a piece of software still works, does not necessarily make it the best, or even a good choice for use.

In fact, non supported software should not be used at all, especially when supported software exists, that does the same job, as reliability as the non supported software.

Unless a support channel comes to light very soon for D4, (which I doubt), and based on what I have seen so far, I will be moving on to BKTtimesync as a test.

It would have been nice to have had D4 put into open source prior to the removal of support.

All of that said, does anyone know what the authors site for download of BKTtimesync is?

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 5/23/20 8:38 AM, Gilbert Baron wrote:
Good idea unless you need it on multiple machines. That can get expensive fast. I have no trouble with Nettime but D4 usually works too.

Outlook Laptop Gil W0MN
Hierro candente, batir de repente
44.08226N 92.51265W EN34rb

-----Original Message-----
From: WSJTX@groups.io <WSJTX@groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Lorenzini
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 10:33
To: WSJTX@groups.io
Subject: Re: [WSJTX] dimension 4

With just about any cheap GPS you can dump the internet and all it's problems by running BKTtimesync which was written by a ham.

Bob - wd6dod






locked Re: dimension 4

Dave Garber
 

do a google search, thats how I found it

Dave Garber
VE3WEJ / VE3IE


On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 12:06 PM Dave Cole <dave@...> wrote:
While I have used D4 for years, (and had an almost perfect run with it),
  it seems it is time to move on...

Running non supported software, is never a good idea.  Just because a
piece of software still works, does not necessarily make it the best, or
even a good choice for use.

In fact, non supported software should not be used at all, especially
when supported software exists, that does the same job, as reliability
as the non supported software.

Unless a support channel comes to light very soon for D4, (which I
doubt), and based on what I have seen so far, I will be moving on to
BKTtimesync as a test.

It would have been nice to have had D4 put into open source prior to the
removal of support.

All of that said, does anyone know what the authors site for download of
BKTtimesync is?

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 5/23/20 8:38 AM, Gilbert Baron wrote:
> Good idea unless you need it on multiple machines. That can get expensive fast. I have no trouble with Nettime but D4 usually works too.
>
> Outlook Laptop Gil W0MN
> Hierro candente, batir de repente
> 44.08226N 92.51265W EN34rb
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WSJTX@groups.io <WSJTX@groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Lorenzini
> Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 10:33
> To: WSJTX@groups.io
> Subject: Re: [WSJTX] dimension 4
>
> With just about any cheap GPS you can dump the internet and all it's problems by running BKTtimesync which was written by a ham.
>
> Bob - wd6dod
>
>
>
>
>
>


locked Re: Coming soon: WSJT-X 2.2.0-rc1

Bill Somerville
 

On 23/05/2020 18:22, JP Tucson, AZ wrote:
Hello Joe & team,

To practice for Field Day, I have been playing with FT4 the past few days on the RC1 ver., though it applies to the 2.1.2 ver, too.

would it be possible please to provide an option to expand vertically the wide-graph display, so that the signals are easier to read. A.k.a. emulate what FT8 looks like... otherwise the eye strain is going to be bad!

For the weak stations I have to get up closer to the screen to be able to make out any details.

2 attachment's of FT8 & FT4 wide-graph displays below...

As you can see, the FT4 display is very hard to read...

Thanks &
John,

change the N Avg control to 1, as described in the User Guide FT4 tutorial:

https://physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/wsjtx-doc/wsjtx-main-2.2.0-rc1.html#TUT_EX4

73
Bill
G4WJS.