Re: Communicating with WSJT-X over UDP #udp


Thanks Tom,


I’ve already implemented a UDP server for WSJT-X in my hb logger, but it doesn’t handle schema negotiation correctly (according to Bill’s reply). I might look at replacing it with your lib.


73 Phil GM3ZZA


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From: Tom M0LTE
Sent: 22 November 2020 12:08
Subject: Re: [WSJTX] Communicating with WSJT-X over UDP #udp


Hi Lado


Rather than starting from scratch, I encourage you to use, and indeed extend via submitting PRs, this:





On Sun, 22 Nov 2020 at 12:04, Bill Somerville <g4wjs@...> wrote:

On 22/11/2020 07:31, s53c.lado@... wrote:
> I'm working on (yet another) ham logging program written in c#. I do
> not have big plans for it: It is just a project I am using as a means
> to learn something new and to help me pass my retirement days. Right
> now I am trying to add communication between WSJT-X and this logging
> program. So far I am able to decode most of the messages coming from
> WSJT-X , Where I am stuck is that I don't understand the schema
> negotiation between WSJT-X  and UDP server. Datagram from UDP server
> to WSJT-X seems to be defined in NetworkMessage part of
> NetworkMessage.hpp. But as I know practically nothing of C++, I am not
> able to read and interpret what's written there. So I kindly ask if
> there is someone to show how the message from UDP server to WSJT-X 
> should be constructed in a way like messages from WSJT-X to UDP
> servers are described.
> Lado, S53C

Hi Lado,

firstly you need to understand that there may be many WSJT-X instances
*and* interoperating server applications like your logging program
working together in what I will refer to as a "mesh". Each may be
written and updated at different times and can only be expected to
understand the data type schema at the time they were last updated. To
allow the "mesh" of applications to interoperate there must be a lowest
common denominator schema that they all understand. The schema
negotiation is how this is occurs. Each new application joining the
"mesh" shall wait for a Heartbeat message and examine the current schema
being used, it shall then reply with another Heartbeat message that
contains the highest schema number it can work with. The WSJT-X client
receiving that Heartbeat message will adjust it's outgoing schema by
lowering it to match if necessary. That in turn will be received by all
server applications in the "mesh" and they in turn will adjust if
necessary. The result, eventually, will be all applications will settle
on the adjusted schema number. You application shall always monitor the
schema number of incoming traffic and be prepared to move to a lower
schema number. It is forbidden to send a message with a higher schema
number than any previously received schema number in a given operating

Note that the schema number is not the schema of the data messages and
fields within them, it is the schema of the underlying data types. This
means the schema only changes very rarely when a data type encoding has
to change. Note also that neither new fields appended to existing
messages, or new message types, even if new data types included,do not
require a new schema number. A new schema number is *only* necessary if
an data type of a field used in an already published message type has a
change in the encoding of that type.

To make this schema scheme work we guarantee that no message field in
existing messages will be changed, only new fields appended to existing
message types, or new message types will be added. To comply with this
your application must be prepared to receive datagrams that are longer
than the expected sum of fields, or indeed new unknown message types.
Both of these cases should be silently ignored as they represent updates
to the messages for a newer version than the one your application was
coded to support. Of course you can update you application to recognize
those new fields and message types in your own time.

You application shall be prepared to receive messages with any schema up
to and equal to the maximum schema it understands. There are currently
three possible schema numbers (1, 2, and 3), but as noted in
Network/NetworkMessage.hpp schema number 1 is broken and obsolete so
will never be used, so currently you must support schema numbers 2 and
3. The difference lies in the encoding of the QDateTime type, in schema
2 QTime components with a value of 0 represent NULL whereas in schema 3
-1 represents NULL. There are also changes in the QDate component but
only in the timespec field and we guarantee to only use the UTC timespec
where there is no difference be tween schema numbers 2 and 3.

The current list of message types and fields is documented in the WSJT-X
project source repository in this file:

in the commentary at the top. This file may be updated at any WSJT-X
public release so authors of interoperating applications should monitor
the history of this file for changes at those times if they wish to
track any recent changes. No C++ knowledge is required as the commentary
has all the information you need, or hyperlinks to further reading for it.



73 Phil GM3ZZA

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